Acceptable Orange peel

[Grimmy 312]

Today I got my BA back from the panel shop after a closed door respray, courtesy of Ford . And it has a shit tonne of orange peel on it .

So the question is , how much peel is 'acceptable'??

 

Or will it flatten out over a few weeks ?

I think it looks terrible compared to the crap job ford did in the factory but I don't know what the standard is for a reputable panel shop .

I'll try and get some pics .

[Grimmy 312]

This pic is the resprayed on top and factory underneath

 

And just some other pics of the peel

 

 

 

The paint is also full off what looks like tiny little pin pricks . I don't know if I'm being picky or not

[ZJ 'lane 24]

I just repainted my bumpers in the shed, they have orange peel but nowhere near that bad. It could be just the photos but it does look pretty bad compared to what we did in the shed! and Dad and I are  no professionals haha 

It almost looks like a hammer tone finish, I would see if it settles down and if not take it back to the shop

[hendrixhc 10,920]

Sorry mate that looks shit. I would have refused to pick it up.

[scottly 475]

Wow to me that looks pretty bad, i'd take it back if I paid good coin for it but if you got it done cheap well then this was coming.

[Grimmy 312]

I got it done under ford warranty/recall . But surely it shouldn't be this bad , if you look from the side it's almost astho it's a satin finish not gloss . The bonnet is Mickey Mouse . I don't know how they went from one extreme to the other . I paid to have a few small dents fixed and even that isn't done properly

[hendrixhc 10,920]

Take it to the dealer that organised it or if you organised it take it back tomorrow and say your not happy. Give them the chance to make good a decent repair.

 

I rejected a repair on my Suzi Swift 3 times till the got it almost right. Consequently i cant use the local crash repairer anymore! 

[Grimmy 312]

I'd be happy if they simply cut the peel off and polished it reall nice , cheapest way out of it with the best result

[hendrixhc 10,920]

How would that line up with the rest of the car though?

[Grimmy 312]

They would have to do the whole thing , they even forgot some badges from the boot . But that's nothing really . Just the little things that let the whole job down

[NZXD 2,328]

That's not acceptable in my opinion, I did look at a Ford territory the other day, a 2010 model and the paint was like that all over, I thought it had been sprayed but was told it was a factory finish, I said wow can't believe a product would be put out like that.

[SLO247 1,713]

Take it back. Never had a good experience with a crash shop yet.

[Campo 869]

Yep thats horrible, take it back!!

[steve mcqueen 1,796]

Yeah i wouldn't be real happy either but gotta say 'im surprized now days how much peel is in factory spray jobs'.

Im always picking at peoples paint on their cars in car parks or where ever, my other half cant stand it hahaha.

Even most european cars have peel in them, some top end things like BMW or Merc = peel.

People are paying 100k for these shitters only to have second hand paint jobs, its a joke.

If i were you, id take a walk around a couple of brand new car yards and see for yourself the quality or not paint

jobs their brand new cars have, you will be amaized at how much peel is out there 

Then make a decision if to take it back. Perhaps get a quote on a cut and polish job?

Solid colours are good, white, red etc but COB is where it turns nasty. 

All the hard work you have been through to get this done i understand your frustration 

[gerg 10,871]

The bonnet would have been ok because the paint will lay down and can be put on thick without runs. Not so on vertical panels, where you cant slap on as much at once. Peel like that is from slapping it on without enough thinner, so the job can be done with one or two thick coats instead of five thin ones, (and allowing flash-off between each). They've rushed the job.

 

The pin-pricks are likely to be solvent boil-off, again from rushing the job. They've probably baked it before the paint has had a chance to dry, causing the remaining solvent to bubble out as it's curing in the oven.

[XPT 673]

Wow is that hammer tone? Ask them and if they would accept that on their car. I doubt it,

[Grimmy 312]

Thanks for the input , it's definitely a rush job because when I was speaking to the owner of the panel shop he said ford only pay 2weeks of labour and nothing more . I told them to take their time as I didn't need it back in a hurry . I never expected the paint to have a glass finnish , but the photos don't do it justice . The bonnet is ok , but the roof and boot is as bad as the rest of it so I dunno . They forgot to put the falcon badges on the boot , there is dust under the decals on the bonnet and there is blue paint in the boot and on the back seat from where they have scraped it off I work at a dealership and am around new cars all the time and this paint is far from what is coming from factory . I just need to know where I stand

[SPArKy_Dave 8,872]

Lol, it looks like one of those abstract Picasso paintings of a landscape reflection in a lake.

 

It's really terrible.

Ford must be getting old mate in the back shed, to do the painting.

(and even then, I'd expect better)

 

The tiny pin pricks, are called solvent pop.

My understanding, is it's caused when the job is rushed, and not enough flash time is allowed between coats,

and/or it's then force dried too quickly with radiant heat.

 

I first experienced that phenomenon, when I was resto'ing the under carriage on my Rangie Classic.

I was painting various brackets during winter time, and had them hanging in front of an old bar radiator.

The side facing the radiator got the tiny bubbles, where as the opposing side was perfect.

 

That solvent pop will always be there - ie, you generally can't cut it out of the finish, unless the clear coat is mega thick.

Even then, if it's also in the base coat, you'll always have a below par finish.

[nickd 111]

That isn't acceptable! Take it back.

 

Ford changed there Paint supplier from PPG to a Japanese paint (much cheaper in costs than PPG) in the series 3 AU onwards upto FG so any BA BF FG Series cars will have problems with paint and rust!

 

This is why its bitten Ford in the arse with recalls of cars with paint and rust issues there made much cheaper for more profit but the profit for ford is in there parts not in a complete car it's where they make there money unfortunately and why where they are now.

[Ants 6,370]

It was still ppg nick.

I worked in a shop doing repaints for ford, ford were paying labor, ppg were supplying materials.

[bear351c 10,270]

That is today's "standard".  Sad, but true.  I remember buying my BA XR6 new, and the paint was shocking. It was Mercury silver and looked like a 4 year old had done it.

 

I'd take it back to the painter, tell him it's HIS reputation on the line, not Ford's. Word of mouth can make or break any business.

 

Best of luck.

[Trev Vaa 1,185]

no they moved to a water based paint, they use either PPG or Dupont can't remember which.

the paint is fantastic when laid one properly, got a few mates who use it and the only product that leaves a better finish of the gun is ceramic.

 

take it back, make sure it looks perfect when you pick it up.

would not even pick the vehicle up looking like that.

[Grimmy 312]

Well I had a win today , went down and spoke to the business owner and he didn't argue at all . Just said they would re do it . They must have known it would be back , any tradesman would know they did a shit job . I guess I'll see how it looks in a couple more weeks

[Nath 1,975]

Some apprentice probably got an arse kicking for it.

[hendrixhc 10,920]

Make sure if your not happy you keep hammering them.