CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted October 31, 2016 The machine shop says that block needs an 060 bore and new pistons so um errrr well forget that ,so im going to use the std bore block i picked up last week,i just pulled it down and it is in very good cond,so i will get it honed and new welsh plugs fitted,and fresh rings on std size pistons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted October 31, 2016 They don't call them "sleve-land" for nothing lol 2 XTREME KARTS XF and CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted October 31, 2016 in the states they love boring the clevo out to 060 ,from the research ive done they dont run hot and one guy even runs a serious engine at the drags with a 060 he said as long as you get it sonic tested you should be fine with 060,at the machine shop there was 1 clevo block there that had 8 sleeves in it,he wanted $1000 for it,is that the norm for a fully sleeved block ? does it make them even stronger ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted October 31, 2016 Really depends on the quality of the work. I've heard some complaints about hot running on some sleeved blocks but that could be due to a poor interference fit or surface finish between sleeve and block (ie poor heat transfer to the parent bore) Certainly a sleeve would give a stronger bore as the material used in the sleeve would be of more consistent quality than that of a large lump of cast block. $1000 is not unreasonable for a sleeved and machined block as I remember at least a decade ago, it was industry norm to supply, fit and machine a sleeve at $100 a pot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted November 1, 2016 Yeah, that was my last quote - $100 a pot.  (Was cheaper to find another block) Must've been 10 years ago, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 1, 2016 while on the subject of machining how much do you think to mill a set of clevo heads to suit screw in studs and tap the 7/16th thread ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FORD_MAN 1,026 Posted November 1, 2016 yeah my neighbor is $100 a pot. best to sonic check before boring, some clevelands are a bit thin in the walls. I can see my mild 302C needing sleeves @ next build, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 1, 2016 im in 2 minds weather or not to use this very nice std bore block just to re-ring a 302. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 1, 2016 I wouldn't waste a virgin blue block on a 302 build, and I should know... I own one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 1, 2016 i have found another one at 030 that i could bring out to o4o because i already have the pistons on the rods and hours of labour cleaning the ring slots,the machine shop wants $300 to bore it to 060 with a hone,then i will need some cam bearings and 060 pistons at around $300 plus rings $70,so after spending $750 you can see why im looking for another way out of this,all the virgin block needs is a hone and a set of rings and some cam bearings,around $300,or buy the 030 block for $100 and take it out to 040 and the rest of it for approx $400 ? or just wait until a 040 block comes up for sale ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 1, 2016 Just so you know what you're up against, I got my 302 already (badly) built up as an unfinished project for $800. It needed stripping, cleaning and re-assembly but despite this, even if it was just a pile of new parts and a machined block, it would still have been worthwhile. I don't know how much you'd get for a fully assembled 302 but I'd seriously question the money you'd get back vs time and effort you're putting in. If it's for experience and/or a hobby then great, I can understand that totally. Just don't be too disappointed with the lack of interest compared to someone offering a 351. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 2, 2016 Even a 302 is very popular around here because many have f trucks that pull horse floats ect ect,,,,and finding anything around here is near impossible,the last one i did i got$2000 for it and its no different to what i have done this time,but im targeting a market like if some one wants a complete replacement for there xa xb fairmont ect or f truck it will come with a rebuilt holley and ready to start,here is a picture of the last one. 1 SirkWhyXF reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 2, 2016 looks good and i heard it run,that was the first motor i ever rebuilt ! 2 gerg and bear351c reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 2, 2016 i got all the valves clean and coated them in oil until going back in the heads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 2, 2016 also cleaned and re-used the dizzy leads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 2,065 Posted November 2, 2016 Who wouldn't want a reco'd 302 ,, ? With full detailed built on parts used ,, pic by pic . Know I'd like another ,,, for my ute ,, or for the fe I want 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted November 2, 2016 Who wouldn't want a reco'd 302 ,, ? Â Â Me.... 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted November 2, 2016 Even a 302 is very popular around here because many have f trucks that pull horse floats ect ect,,,,and finding anything around here is near impossible,the last one i did i got$2000 for it and its no different to what i have done this time,but im targeting a market like if some one wants a complete replacement for there xa xb fairmont ect or f truck it will come with a rebuilt holley and ready to start,here is a picture of the last one. Â How did the header paint stand up, did you see.?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 2, 2016 302 in an F-truck? Would be way underpowered and overworked in my books, but each to their own I guess. Mine was originally slated to go into one but he scrapped that idea for whatever reason. 2 grand is a good return on your work, you did well there. A healthy 351 needs top loader/4-pin 28 lsd diff to handle the extra berries. That all costs big, so I can see the appeal of a 302 in a car... an easy, cheap upgrade from a 6 that can use the same drivetrain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,292 Posted November 2, 2016 302 in an F-truck? Would be way underpowered and overworked in my books, but each to their own I guess. Mine was originally slated to go into one but he scrapped that idea for whatever reason. 2 grand is a good return on your work, you did well there. A healthy 351 needs top loader/4-pin 28 lsd diff to handle the extra berries. That all costs big, so I can see the appeal of a 302 in a car... an easy, cheap upgrade from a 6 that can use the same drivetrain. i've driven a Healthy 302 clevo 4 speed in a LWB F250, went very well.. gearing in the diff whatever it is probably helped a lot. My stock ish 351 ran a 6cyl single rail and 2.92 25spline lsd.. were fine for 80,000km odd i had it(blew up 3 used single rails in a month before getting one rebuilt) Â i reckon a 302 with decent cam would go well with a 3.45 diff and T5 **(comparable to a stock 4.0 auto EF falcon maybe) 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 2, 2016 Stacks of f trucks were made with 302 clevelands,they even came with 250 inline 6's,the cleveland design produces very good torque weather it be a 351 or 302,in the states they were even fitted with a 289w in the early bronco's,i would rather a fresh 302 cleveland than a 302w in a f truck. 1 bear351c reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 2, 2016 Sorry should have added "in my opinion" and "compared to a 351". I definitely know what I'd prefer in a truck . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 2, 2016 i reckon a 302 with decent cam would go well with a 3.45 diff and T5 **(comparable to a stock 4.0 auto EF falcon maybe) In my experience with my own 302, it's just starting to get into its stride right where the stock valvetrain is struggling to cope. So to take advantage of this aspect, I'd have to run better pushrods, valvesprings and probably roller rockers to give it the upper rpm it deserves, say 6500. By then, a stock flywheel is way past its safe limits and your bottom end really needs to be balanced to live a decent life. All this adds up to easily a grand and a half, which you wouldn't need to spend to get the same herbs from a (lazy) 351 with stock everything except cam, carb, etc. Seeing as all F-trucks use the same drivetrain, with the extra torque of a 351 you don't have the dilemma of needing to upgrade it like on a Falcon. To me it would be false economy to run a 302C in a truck. Sure like you say, it would go ok but a 351 would be worlds better. 3 deankxf, stockesp and CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,312 Posted November 3, 2016 ok lets get back to the basic home hot-rodder rebuild i picked up the heads and manifold ect from the bath and im stoked they are all clean and ready for painting,my manifold is under the one you see there. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 3, 2016 That manifold in the picture is off a Y-block yeah? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites