Panko 2,480 Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Fingers said: I have had quite a few Escorts over the years, Ford Escorts that is, and only 2 have had the BW rear axle. strange. My original books, workshop manual and lots of other owners of Mk1s in the car club all say the BW diffs are what were fitted to Aussie Mk1s. the RSs got them, and Mexicos got them. in the UK, all Mk1s had the front loading diffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outback Jack 6,352 Posted September 19, 2021 I mean nearly double HP of the 1300 The 1300 would have been sitting around 40-45kw. On paper with the engine specs of my 1600 (1660 actual capacity) it should be producing between 70 and 80kw at the crank. Yeah I will not lie, everyone ive spoken to in the club said I have over braked the car for street use, but it will be nice for the odd track day, or hillclimb event that the car club runs every year, which ive never run in because too scared, to know that i have ample brakes. Ok cool, so about 110hp, same as a stock Pinto.I had a MK1 with stock brakes and 200hp pinto. The stock brakes with better pads are more than up to the job.Compression braking with the motor into corners will help with saving the brakes.Wanna race after were done???? HeheheSent from my S21 using Tapatalk 1 2redrovers reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, Outback Jack said: Ok cool, so about 110hp, same as a stock Pinto. I had a MK1 with stock brakes and 200hp pinto. The stock brakes with better pads are more than up to the job. Compression braking with the motor into corners will help with saving the brakes. Wanna race after were done???? Hehehe Sent from my S21 using Tapatalk Oh look the standard brakes were up the task once upon a time. And I know Ive "over braked" it now. but nowadays parts are hard to get for the P16 brakes, and expensive compared to what I paid for this entire brake upgrade kit. the discs alone new, are more than 1/3 of the cost of the entire brand new brake upgrade. The way i see it, i would always rather have plenty in reserve than on the limit. As i said above, it will get driven spiritedly on plenty of twist roads. We are not far from plenty of mountain roads, big hills. I have previously run the car out of brakes on those roads. I have always wanted to get the car on the track, just to stretch its legs legally. Ive always been hesitant because of killing the 1300 haha. So, I am happy with the brakes. As for the race, you will have to drive to Melbourne first. Your premier will never let us in, so you can come here instead 3 Outback Jack, 2redrovers and gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outback Jack 6,352 Posted September 19, 2021 I can't get over there....it's a JBA kit car Jim, not a time travelling device...I would have to be able to travel at least 2hrs into the future....unheard of in WA.Sent from my S21 using Tapatalk 1 Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted September 19, 2021 I can't get over there....it's a JBA kit car Jim, not a time travelling device...I would have to be able to travel at least 2hrs into the future....unheard of in WA.Sent from my S21 using TapatalkHaha my work colleague did some time up in the mines over there, says that WA is 3 hours and 30 years behind the eastern statesSent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk 2 Outback Jack and 2redrovers reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingers 463 Posted September 19, 2021 23 hours ago, Panko said: strange. My original books, workshop manual and lots of other owners of Mk1s in the car club all say the BW diffs are what were fitted to Aussie Mk1s. the RSs got them, and Mexicos got them. in the UK, all Mk1s had the front loading diffs. I just grabbed my Escort parts book, dated 3/72. It seems that all MK1 until August 1971 had English axles, then August onwards, most had Borg Warner. Of the 3 MK1 2 doors that I have currently, 2 are 1970 build with English axles, and 1 1974 with a BW. The 1972 car I had years ago had a BW, but I replaced it with a 4.125 ratio English out of a MK1 van. The 1975 MK1 van I have now has an English axle, but that now seems likely it has been replaced at some time. 3 Outback Jack, 2redrovers and Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted September 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Fingers said: I just grabbed my Escort parts book, dated 3/72. It seems that all MK1 until August 1971 had English axles, then August onwards, most had Borg Warner. Of the 3 MK1 2 doors that I have currently, 2 are 1970 build with English axles, and 1 1974 with a BW. The 1972 car I had years ago had a BW, but I replaced it with a 4.125 ratio English out of a MK1 van. The 1975 MK1 van I have now has an English axle, but that now seems likely it has been replaced at some time. There you go. there isn’t many early Mk1s in Australia. both of mine have been 1972 and this one is 1975. So both BW diffs. on the flip side, the good thing about BW coming on board is we got the Type E 4 speed (single rail) fitted to our cars from 1100 upwards, but the UK only got them in GTs and upwards. Their standard boxes did not have removable bell housings. So our Type E boxes are quite desirable to the UK folk because they are rare over there 2 Fingers and 2redrovers reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2redrovers 21,400 Posted September 19, 2021 I don't know the difference but you got me curious about what my van has under it.... Besides more rust... 1 Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2redrovers 21,400 Posted September 20, 2021 Ta daaa... Yeah... I don't know what I'm looking at... 2 Outback Jack and Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, 2redrovers said: Ta daaa ... Yeah... I don't know what I'm looking at... Standard aussie borg warner diff 1 2redrovers reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2redrovers 21,400 Posted September 20, 2021 Standard aussie borg warner diffLeaking oil... Yeah I'd call that pretty much standard too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted September 20, 2021 50 minutes ago, Panko said: Standard aussie borg warner diff is it same as a falcon/cortina centre? if so should be able to fit LSD easy? and different ratios Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted September 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, deankdx said: is it same as a falcon/cortina centre? if so should be able to fit LSD easy? and different ratios No its smaller i believe. these aren’t very strong. My new engine could easily break it if im not careful 2 Fingers and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingers 463 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Panko said: No its smaller i believe. these aren’t very strong. My new engine could easily break it if im not careful Correct. Smaller, weaker, basically garbage 2 gerg and Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted September 20, 2021 No its smaller i believe. these aren’t very strong. My new engine could easily break it if im not careful If it's the same centre as my TF corty, no they're not that strong. I think they're a 6.8" crown and were also used in Aussie Sigmas in the day. While I didn't blow mine, it wore out much more quickly than it would if it was a 75 or 78 (which came in the TE), probably not helped by being behind a 250 crossy. It just had heaps of backlash in the gears, mostly in the spiders. Was a 2.78 ratio.Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk 2 Fingers and Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingers 463 Posted September 20, 2021 I broke one with a stock 1300 many years ago (I was a teenager) 2 gerg and Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, gerg said: If it's the same centre as my TF corty, no they're not that strong. I think they're a 6.8" crown and were also used in Aussie Sigmas in the day. While I didn't blow mine, it wore out much more quickly than it would if it was a 75 or 78 (which came in the TE), probably not helped by being behind a 250 crossy. It just had heaps of backlash in the gears, mostly in the spiders. Was a 2.78 ratio. Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk My brothers TE cortina had a falcon LSD fitted to it, (both were 2.92 ratios) 25 spline cortina axles fitted straight into it. he had a 4cyl cortina diff in it for a while with 3.77 ratio (welded center) that broke an axle but didn't die with the mild (supposedly speedway spec) 250 crossy. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted September 20, 2021 The best options for these are either the Atlas Diff, which is out of a Capri, and I believe that is potentially the bigger BW diff, but they need to be shortened to fit an escort, or the English axle (mini 9”) which also have off the shelf LSD centres available 1 deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingers 463 Posted September 21, 2021 A Falcon/Commodore/Nissan BW75/78 is probably overkill for most street Escorts. That said, something like a turbo YB Cosworth is definitely going to need a strong rear axle. 2 deankxf and Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fingers 463 Posted October 30, 2021 Any progress now that you are out of lockdown? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 3, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 9:03 PM, Fingers said: Any progress now that you are out of lockdown? No unfortunately, the project has come to a grinding holt for the last 5-6 weeks. Where I left you all, was me chasing a set of Mk2, 1.3 or 1.6L front struts and hubs, to suit my big brakes. I did not want Pinto 2L struts because my adjustable inserts would not fit, so id be up for around $1000, out of budget just to build front suspension all over again. In that time, my partner and I have spent the last few weeks renovating a house owned by her parents, ready for us to move into. Keep in mind, the house is a 100 year old "bungalow" (the name used to describe the style, not an actual bungalow) house in Box Hill. So that has taken priority. We decided to set ourselves a move in date, and work to that, which was last weekend. So our first night in the house was the 29th of October, last Friday night. And we have not finished with the house yet. we still have 2 rooms and the hallway to renovate and paint, but we can do it while living here. So, where is the Escort at now? Today, I FINALLY picked up a set of complete Mk2, 1.6L struts. From here, I have to build them up, with the new brakes, my inserts, struts tops etc, and then I can take it all over to the workshop and drop the subframe and running gear in, and she will be a rolling car again. hopefully in the next few weeks Ill have this done and the car back on its wheels. The only challenging part is I am still using my father's shed in Berwick as the workshop, so all parts and tools, and spray paint i need for the Escort is about 35-40 minutes drive away from where we are now living. If you ignore the apartment buildings either side and office building behind, this little photo that I edited to make it look a bit older, kind of shows the vintage of the house. The outside is pretty rough, but inside has had a complete makeover. 2 2 scottly, Fingers, deankxf and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hendrixhc 10,920 Posted November 6, 2021 Shame how they build such crass apartments around lovelly old homes. Has it got a good shed? 2 1 dex, Fingers and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dex 2,065 Posted November 7, 2021 Ohh so true ,, architect’s now days are like they are in a competition to be a designer for lego 2 Outback Jack and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 9:19 AM, hendrixhc said: Shame how they build such crass apartments around lovelly old homes. Has it got a good shed? It is a shame. We stumbled across the original title to the property yesterday morning, from when it was a vacant lot. signed back back in 1932. so its about 90 years old. We also have the original banking book for the guy who built the house, the original title holder. we found the book under the old carpet when we started the renos. As for the shed, it does indeed have a good shed We have a laneway behind us. the shed runs along the back boundary, and has sliding door access from the driveway, then offset on the opposing side has a sliding door out to the laneway. so I can park the wagon and escort side by side, across the width of the shed. one from the drive, and one from the laneway. The shed internally is about 5.2m W x 7.8m L, and clearance is about 2.2m under the doors. the steel roof trusses are lower, but they are between the door access. that means I can fit my Land Rover Discovery straight in from either side too, if i need to work on that. On the driveway side of the shed, there is also a 1.5 car sized carport. long enough to get my Disco and about half of Elise's Corolla under. 3 1 Fingers, 2redrovers, deankxf and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hendrixhc 10,920 Posted November 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Panko said: It is a shame. We stumbled across the original title to the property yesterday morning, from when it was a vacant lot. signed back back in 1932. so its about 90 years old. We also have the original banking book for the guy who built the house, the original title holder. we found the book under the old carpet when we started the renos. Cool Story. I found the original purchase documents for my grandmothers house a while back, all 2000 pounds or something like that. 2 Panko and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites