CLEVELAND ENGINE TALK

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next one is interesting a 1976 LTD JG71 factory 351c ,std bore light surface rust in bores and valley,i will just give it a tidy up.

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i found another 400 block in gc,std bore,im going to grab it in the morning,then lets get the 400 cranking.

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10 hours ago, gerg said:

Yeah other than on here, it's hard to find an oz-specific topic on this that is 100% accurate, but I did see something on ICE ignition's site about the smaller shaft being used on the earlier blocks, and they say that with theirs it doesn't matter as they have a lower needle bearing. This, they say eliminates the need for support by the drilling in the block (so their dizzys work on both), and also if the block is actually the right size but worn, that doesn't matter either.

 

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The early block distributed has the larger shaft, out side diameter. It is actually a imperial diameter 1/2”. The black block outside diameter is metric 12.5mm and smaller. The smaller diameter in the later block enables you to use them in the early block, chestnut mentioned that the can fog out them out quick. To overcome this you can machine a extra bush in the base of the distributor to support the shaft and stop run out. In the mid nineties when you could still by new Bosch distrubutor ice ignition did this mod, supplied new and modded for around $600. Now the do there own ignition ignition. How the have evolved, ignition have come along way, technology and price

Dale

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The early block distributed has the larger shaft, out side diameter. It is actually a imperial diameter 1/2”. The black block outside diameter is metric 12.5mm and smaller. The smaller diameter in the later block enables you to use them in the early block, chestnut mentioned that the can fog out them out quick. To overcome this you can machine a extra bush in the base of the distributor to support the shaft and stop run out. In the mid nineties when you could still by new Bosch distrubutor ice ignition did this mod, supplied new and modded for around $600. Now the do there own ignition ignition. How the have evolved, ignition have come along way, technology and price
Dale

Thanks for the info dale,here is the ltd block after a clean up,all is good except for big scratch in number 1 but should clean up fine with a re bore

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Thanks for the info dale,here is the ltd block after a clean up,all is good except for big scratch in number 1 but should clean up fine with a re bore

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Action man scores the 400 block and crank and also another single plane eddy manifold the one thats so hard to find for $50 stupid me paid 420 bux from america ahh well i have 2 now

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better start looking for something to put it in?

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better start looking for something to put it in?

Money wise a xf sedan will suit me with no p/s cause the 400 is a bitch to sought out p/s wise but anyway lets have a quick look at this block b4 taking it to the machine shop for hot tank and rebore ect my rebuild kit should come this week ,its a 1971 400 block and doesnt seem to have any damage to the bores so good so far,look how wide these are,also D1AE casting without any abbreviations after it means high nickel content only very early 400s were like this.i found this out on a clevo casting page

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Money wise a xf sedan will suit me with no p/s cause the 400 is a bitch to sought out p/s wise but anyway lets have a quick look at this block b4 taking it to the machine shop for hot tank and rebore ect my rebuild kit should come this week ,its a 1971 400 block and doesnt seem to have any damage to the bores so good so far,look how wide these are,also D1AE casting without any abbreviations after it means high nickel content only very early 400s were like this.i found this out on a clevo casting page

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There is a million d1ae_a2b ect but this block is definitely d1ae with nothing after it see in picture at top d1ae high nickel

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There is a million d1ae_a2b ect but this block is definitely d1ae with nothing after it see in picture at top d1ae high nickel

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That's weird, normally something special like a high nickel block you'd expect to have more numbers after it, not less (or none). Also, strange how so many 400s ended up in F-trucks but never got a number like "D1TE" or something, denoting that it was intended for the truck line.

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That's weird, normally something special like a high nickel block you'd expect to have more numbers after it, not less (or none). Also, strange how so many 400s ended up in F-trucks but never got a number like "D1TE" or something, denoting that it was intended for the truck line.

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It decodes 22 dec 1971 cast and its a dearborn foundry same as the other 400s seems there all out of galaxys

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It decodes 22 dec 1971 cast and its a dearborn foundry same as the other 400s seems there all out of galaxys

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Also just found a difference in casting compared to my other 400 block from same foundry check this chunky bit out the other block dont have it

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It's a nub. Lol.
Hey Chestnut, if your doing a few motors on the cheap, try flex hone to hone the bores. Much easier on the bores than stones etc.
I used one on my 4L rebuild. Good bit of kit.

Line boring/honing will always be better but if the bores aren't bad and just need a hone, the Flex hone is more expensive than stone hones but does a better more even job.

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It's a nub. Lol.
Hey Chestnut, if your doing a few motors on the cheap, try flex hone to hone the bores. Much easier on the bores than stones etc.
I used one on my 4L rebuild. Good bit of kit.

Line boring/honing will always be better but if the bores aren't bad and just need a hone, the Flex hone is more expensive than stone hones but does a better more even job.

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Yeah i should invest in one of those,im also trying to save this 400 crank i got thrown in yesterday after a tub its showing its true colors someone has millied 1 side of it probly for a cheap fix i measured the cnt and its std but the rod size is same as 351c so only been able to find 040 so far which is what it needs i reckon to be cleaned up and 020 on the mains

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That looks like a spun journal to me

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it needs 050 bearings on the rods to clean it up i reckon i measured it

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it needs 050 bearings on the rods to clean it up i reckon i measured it

I think you got a very large paperweight there Action Man, unless you plan on making it a mega stroker

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thing is i want my own 400 and the other one i am selling i have all the bits ,just spent $350 on the other 5ma 400 crank and its a glamour now 20/20 i want that one in my engine,and if i can save this one which is possible and fine for a stock build i will take it to the machine shop and see what they say ,cause its very hard to find 400 parts .

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thing is i want my own 400 and the other one i am selling i have all the bits ,just spent $350 on the other 5ma 400 crank and its a glamour now 20/20 i want that one in my engine,and if i can save this one which is possible and fine for a stock build i will take it to the machine shop and see what they say ,cause its very hard to find 400 parts .

There was just enough time this afi to semi clean another std clevo block this ones a 6/11/78 xc i would say but again no sign of blue paint it looks like the xd block being black i measured it up std bore,these std bore blocks are starting to rack up

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the XD was released in march 79 so it could be a black block ,its also a brissy JH63 fairlane block.meaning  zj fairlane,lets see with more investigation tomorrow.

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yes i now remember the phone call with him he said he had a fairlane black block and when he said jh63 i thought this has to be a std pillowblock cause the last one i had was a jh63,but nah when i got there and checked em all out no pillowblock.

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yes i now remember the phone call with him he said he had a fairlane black block and when he said jh63 i thought this has to be a std pillowblock cause the last one i had was a jh63,but nah when i got there and checked em all out no pillowblock.

Pillows were only made late XE weren't they?

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Pillows were only made late XE weren't they?

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From research i have done seems a batch of std d2ae pillowblocks were cast around early 82 and went into cars with air con and 90% were 302c cars eg fairlane ltd ghia mainly flagship models and the beefy (nascar block)went into esp and a few ended up scattered in a lucky dip in any model,action man will find another one as jh63 pillowblocks are quite common in qld ,999 of them were poured and individually numberd on the side of the block.

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while on the topic

 

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here is the one i got,cast on 2nd feb 82,i have also heard a rumor that some of these got into xd's very late ones as the xe took over in march/ april 82,just the look of these looks the goods.

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You'd think that with so many revisions, they'd use a different part number on the pillow block but no... still the same D2AE number that most clevos got. As these blocks were Aussie only and quite special, they really should have had one that went something like "82DA", "E2AE" or "ARD2AE", which all denote some kind of local change. Ford's numbering system wasn't really a system at all.

Didn't some of them wind up in ambulances and heavy duty work like that?

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