Anthony Pllu 262 Posted May 3, 2014 trickflow dont do them for clevo's if you look at the pic its a windsor manifold. the guy port matched it to clevo heads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 3, 2014 trickflow dont do them for clevo's if you look at the pic its a windsor manifold. the guy port matched it to clevo heads You can't "port match" a Windsor manifold to a Clevo... Windsors have a water jacket through them with a thermostat housing at the front, and both have different deck heights and bolt patterns. I tend to believe that pic of the DeTomaso Clevo was a mock-up with a 351 Windsor intake as the end of the manifold doesn't even match the valley rail, and the thermo housing on the Clevo block would clash with the one on the manifold too. This proper Trick Flow Clevo manifold has been around for a couple of years now: http://www.trickflow.com/search.asp?N=400098++4294951917+4294951907+4294949519+115+325401&autoview=sku http://www.trickflow.com/largeimage.asp?part=TFS-516L0114 1 xbcool reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 3, 2014 i remember someone doing a back to back dyno on the box R vs the tickford t3 intake.... t3 won, that is one well designed manifold, but aparently has its floors too, and could have been even better if tickford listened to the designer. yeah I reckon it shat on anything Ford US had done with the Windsor... Hats off to the engineers who came up with that one, I reckon someone should build them again. Interested to know what the flaws were though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FTEMEL 6 Posted May 4, 2014 I could be wrong but the minor issue with the T3 manifold was that it restricted the airflow to cyl 1 and some air flow was a little different from left to right side of the motor due to the inlet location and air flow going over the top of the runners in a loop movement .It was a made for tick ford by Morrison motorsport , formerly in Lillydale Vic , now located in NZ , they did an excellent job on it and for street driven applications its hard to beat , of course a full race motor may not get enough airflow , a fellow in Tassie is building a pretty serious engine with one installed so only time will tell. Indeed a rerun would be excellent as any that appear for sale are very pricey indeed, the top section if simply reproduced would be great and a 302 w inlet and a 351c inlet would be popular for sure however on a cost per unit sold basis this probably would not make a good business decision . 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Pllu 262 Posted May 4, 2014 i have read the post from the pic that was put up plenty of times http://www.hax.se/efi/ the guy had a 351C and could not find a EFI setup for it so he used a windsor setup. if you notice the pic put up it has the thermostat on the manifold. read this post i linked might help with efi setups for clevos as he seemed to get it running well with a windsor setup and running a ECC4 ecu ( e series v8 ) ecu and looms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 4, 2014 i have read the post from the pic that was put up plenty of times http://www.hax.se/efi/ the guy had a 351C and could not find a EFI setup for it so he used a windsor setup. if you notice the pic put up it has the thermostat on the manifold. read this post i linked might help with efi setups for clevos as he seemed to get it running well with a windsor setup and running a ECC4 ecu ( e series v8 ) ecu and looms Fair enough... Milling, porting and correcting bolt holes: that's a lot of trouble to go to, especially since they brought out a manifold for Clevos not long after that... That's gotta hurt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Pllu 262 Posted May 4, 2014 lot of mucking around yes but nice to know it can be done especially with the easy ecu setup from a e series v8. i thought about it as i have a 302 windsor efi top end but its only the stock one so would just lose power over the carb setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trev Vaa 1,185 Posted May 4, 2014 I could be wrong but the minor issue with the T3 manifold was that it restricted the airflow to cyl 1 and some air flow was a little different from left to right side of the motor due to the inlet location and air flow going over the top of the runners in a loop movement .It was a made for tick ford by Morrison motorsport , formerly in Lillydale Vic , now located in NZ , they did an excellent job on it and for street driven applications its hard to beat , of course a full race motor may not get enough airflow , a fellow in Tassie is building a pretty serious engine with one installed so only time will tell. Indeed a rerun would be excellent as any that appear for sale are very pricey indeed, the top section if simply reproduced would be great and a 302 w inlet and a 351c inlet would be popular for sure however on a cost per unit sold basis this probably would not make a good business decision . you are bang on. the issue was the trumpet not having enough clearence to the plenum walls, it caused uneven air distribution. you will never see a re-run on the manifolds, ford made sure that would never happen (i still cant work that one out.... seems like a retarded decision financially) yep manifold was designed by morrison motorsport, they even told tickford, "we have these flaws here here and here itll cost this much to fix it" penny pinchers said no. aparently they were going to put the improved version into production but werent sure it'd sell. AnthonyP yeh trickflow released a clevo manifold not after that dude went through all the effort of making it work, would have been better off making his own base to match the box-r top half. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Patmore 323 Posted September 8, 2014 I'll be doing a efi conversion on my 351 Cleveland by the end of the year, just purchased Fast Ez efi 2.0 multiport system Will be picking it up this week also bought there ignition and duel sync distributor And there 1375cfm throttle body to match and will be using 3v alloy heads with a funnel web manifold/chi design I'll have the bungs drilled out to match my injectors purchasing them from fast so it's all plug and play I'm thinking the 36pound will be enough 2 Thom and gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILIED 316 Posted September 9, 2014 I'm thinking I'll be using the AFD manifold..I've pushed mine to next year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Patmore 323 Posted October 10, 2014 This is My Set Up So Far, i have all of FAST 2.0 Stuff including there multiport harness, Throttle body, Duel Sync Distributor, E6 ignition and injectors 2 XTREME KARTS XF and Trev Vaa reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Menice 331 Posted September 13, 2015 Bit of a revival on this old thread but seeing if there's been any more advances or people using the FAST kits or MSD atomic one's? is it worth the outlay in the end over say boost referenced carbs and all the additional parts and dyno time, or even if just on a n/a or nitrous setup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted September 13, 2015 I would say in the long run, EFI will be cheaper and less hassle compared to pulling bowls off, spilling fuel everywhere, playing with jets, bleeds, pump squirters, cams, etc instead of a simple tweak of a knob or click of a mouse. A good carby is worth the best part of a grand these days so you're already halfway there to going EFI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Menice 331 Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah my thoughts exactly in the long run with future upgrades and simplicity of the tuning being mostly self learning, less maintenance than a carby as well. The 2.0 FAST kit with inline pump and everything included works out to be around the $4k not sure if they can be had any cheaper so I think I'll have to look at the costs of either sticking with carby or going efi in the long run Sent from my D5833 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted September 13, 2015 Wow ok 4k is a different story, but if you're happy spending that much then go for it. There's a good reason why they bother to make them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Menice 331 Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah it's a little pricey for basically an injected carby, even the msd atomic efi is 3k which is about the same as the smaller FAST kit Sent from my D5833 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted September 13, 2015 I think they're catering to the restomod market, where old dudes with some money want to keep the original look of their muscle car engine and have a simple installation without too much dicking around and are willing to pay that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Menice 331 Posted September 13, 2015 Possibly, according to details they can handle up to ~600hp and with the fast 2.0 supposedly up to 1200hp.Sent from my D5833 using Tapatalk 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites