Landie88 5 Posted May 8, 2021 Hi All  This Fairmont station wagon has just come up for auction over here in the UK. I'd be buying it for the V8 and because the steering wheel is on the proper side  I'm interested to know what reputation the V8's fitted to these have - it's the 302 (5 litre).  I thought I read somewhere that this was called the 'economy engine' and it has the small inlet ports. I'm guessing the same engine was fitted to Aussie Falcoln's and maybe others.  https://www.brightwellslive.com/lot/details/514318?fbclid=IwAR3YB70VirQ7Q4lz-fy7M4CvnALBySoVALRMzDuijWZXlDN07xnY6IrvXa8  Thanks for any help you can provide.  Cheers  Graham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted May 8, 2021 Hi mate, thats a 302 Windsor V8. Most of the XY Falcons had 302 or 351 Cleveland based engines, so she's had an engine swap for sure. A good little engine. Not sure how much supply and demand you would have for the Windsor in the UK, but, stores like Summit Racing in the 'States have 1000's of parts. The Yanks have loads of these engines, also becoming the basis for the 5.0 Fuel Injected engines in the later years.  The wagon looks good, especially if you salt the roads in Winter. The interior would fetch a premium price over here in Oz, the XY GT is probably the hottest property on the Ford market, especially in black.  Good luck with it. Let us know if you get it. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, bear351c said:  Hey @bear351c  Thanks very much for your insight. The chassis and engine numbers match from what the auction house say on their website, but I can't verify this. There's a photo they took of the chassis plate, but I can't see the engine number on it - maybe it's at the top of the plate....     Reg No: AOM2KChassis Number: J935LE72036Engine Number: 72036KEngine Size: 5000cc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 8, 2021 Here's a couple of photos of the engine from the auction website. Not sure if this helps with identification.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thom 6,651 Posted May 8, 2021 Hi mate, thats a 302 Windsor V8. Most of the XY Falcons had 302 or 351 Cleveland based engines, so she's had an engine swap for sure. A good little engine. Not sure how much supply and demand you would have for the Windsor in the UK, but, stores like Summit Racing in the 'States have 1000's of parts. The Yanks have loads of these engines, also becoming the basis for the 5.0 Fuel Injected engines in the later years.  The wagon looks good, especially if you salt the roads in Winter. The interior would fetch a premium price over here in Oz, the XY GT is probably the hottest property on the Ford market, especially in black.  Good luck with it. Let us know if you get it. Xy still had 302 windsors at the beginning it the 302 Cleveland wasn't ready for production until later on 2 Landie88 and bear351c reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 8, 2021 i would assume that the engine (worn out old tech v8) would be worth 5% of that car's value.. in Australia i'd expect to see that wagon for sale for $20,000 and that engine would be $1000 at the most.   1 Landie88 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 9, 2021 i would assume that the engine (worn out old tech v8) would be worth 5% of that car's value.. in Australia i'd expect to see that wagon for sale for $20,000 and that engine would be $1000 at the most.   Depends if it's matching numbersSent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 9, 2021 Just now, gerg said: Depends if it's matching numbers Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk  sedan one in that condition would be worth $20k regardless i think these days, been seeing wagons prices on a steady climb also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 9, 2021 sedan one in that condition would be worth $20k regardless i think these days, been seeing wagons prices on a steady climb also Nah what I mean is if the engine is matching to chassis, value of said engine goes up stupidly. Otherwise it's just a V8-swapped wagon like mine (very easy to do on a Ford).Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk 2 deankxf and Landie88 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, gerg said: Nah what I mean is if the engine is matching to chassis, value of said engine goes up stupidly. Otherwise it's just a V8-swapped wagon like mine (very easy to do on a Ford). Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk  ah yes, worth more if it belongs to THAT car.. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted May 9, 2021 Looking at the plate, if "Y" means the same on an XY as an XB, it will be a 302 2-barrel (despite the XB being a Clevo not Windsor), which is what it appears to be in the pic. Sent from my CPH1920 using Tapatalk 1 deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZKFairlane 235 Posted May 9, 2021 That is one very stock and unmolested XY Fairmont Wagon with some rare options; Teal Glow in colour, 8 track. It would go for stupid money locally... Y engine in an XY is a 302 2 barrel Windsor (noting that the bottom radiator hose is on the passenger side, which some will say makes it a Cleveland, but it's a Windsor...). So that motor is correct for that car. If it is matching numbers, even better. The engine number on these is the same as the VIN number; JG35LE72036K. It will be stamped on the flat area on the block at the back of the manifold. A pain to get to. All 302 XYs were Windsors. There are rumors that the 1972 xy utes may have had clevelands, but I've never seen one. The 302 Cleveland commenced in the XA. Trans "R" is auto column shift and Trim "B" is black. That's one very stock 302. By the way the heater hoses are running, it looks like it still has the original two port carby heater on it. I'd love to see a picture with the air filter off. I can't make it out in the pictures, but the top radiator tank would have "Fomoco" stamped on it if it was the original one. Regardless, that radiator is an original type one. Train spotters will note that the clamps are no original... Paint code 5 is Teal Glow. Not very common. V8 Fairmont Wagons weren't very common either (they have unique chrome pieces around the rear door widows). 1 1 gerg and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 10, 2021 Hi guys. Thanks very much for all your replies. I've learnt a load of stuff from you and you've been really helpful. Current bid price is now £4K, so we'll see what happens with the bidding over the next few days. Maybe someone is thinking of buying it and shipping it back home to Oz ;-).  Cheers  Graham 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Landie88 said: Current bid price is now £4K let us know when it ends, if you don't mind, in case we forget to check in. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 13, 2021 Hi folks...  So I went to see the Fairmont yesterday....  Good points.... Glass all good, no cracks or chips - imagine windscreens are difficult (impossible?) to get hold of Engine looked dry - no visible water leakage, no major oil leaks Transmission looked OK - slight weeping, but hey, that's normal Car is complete - it's all there, including interior Main structural sections of the chassis underneath look OK Overall, the bodywork looks straight - doesn't look like its had any major damage Bad points... Front inner wings have been repaired at some point by tack welding plated steel in - not a good job, would need cutting out and re-doing Sills have been plated in parts - part welded, part filled - again, untidy repairs Fuel tank badly corroded - has been leaking at the front adjacent to rear axle Is not currently running and hasn't been for a long time, but that's not to say it wouldn't! Evidence of filler in and around door bottoms and wheel arches Over-spray to paintwork on several panels - looks OK from a distance, but untidy close up. To be fair, it's a 50 year old car so to have survived this long as a complete car in the UK is a credit to it's original build quality - it still feels very solid! I expect that the 'patching up' that's been done in the past has been to keep it on the road during the 1980's and into the 90's and to get it through the MoT test. At that point, it was probably seen as an old car rather than a classic and the quick cheap repairs were done to keep it on the road.  Bidding is currently at around £6,000. That's more than I would have thought at this stage. Not sure how many folks have viewed it, but I learnt a painful lesson once with a merc W124 wagon I bought off eBay that looked good in the photos, but when I got it home the rear chassis subframe mounts were completely rotten :-/. I'm sure many of us have been there!  Will post the final sale price on here later.  Cheers  Graham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 14, 2021 last i saw was still 6100 pounds with 2hrs to go, sale price isn't showing. (until finalised apparently) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 14, 2021 Yes, the website crashed about 15 minutes in ;-).  It went for £7,550 plus 12% buyers premium (with 20% VAT added to the buyers premium). That brought the total sale price up to around £8,500.  I thought it was too much TBH. It will have needed at least £2,500 spending on it to get it properly back on the road, perhaps also with a few cosmetics jobs added into this cost.  It will be interesting to see where it turns up. I'm half expecting to see it on ebay ;-).  If someone was thinking of buying it and exporting it to Oz, it would cost around £2,500 to get it from the UK to the other side of the port in Syndney.  Cheers  Graham 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,288 Posted May 14, 2021  Thanks Graham, also converting the  £ to AUD would bring it up to $18,000 odd landed here, I'm sure there'd be more taxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Landie88 5 Posted May 15, 2021 Yes. I'm sure you're correct. I'll keep my eyes open to see if it turns up on eBay or the usual classic car for sale sites over here and post the link on here if I see it  Always very interesting to understand the buyers motivation.... stick it back online to try to make a quick profit? try not to spend money on it and get it back on the road as-is for a bit of fun and then sell it on further down the line - but, you're gonna have to spend some money unless you're happy to risk spending hours for a recovery truck to turn up that's big enough to get you home break it for spares, but apart from the engine and trans, I can't see much demand for the other parts over here unless the plan is to sell and ship the bits globally run it round as a hack? - OK, it's tax and MoT exempt so apart from fuel it's cheap to own, but it's too much money invested to have as a hack restore it? possibly, but there's plenty of other US V8's around over here you could buy and classic owners are not fazed by big motors that are LHD - only their wives are !! My motivations were... It's a V8 - I really want a V8 and for what I was prepared to go to (£5K), I might get one It was RHD so my wife would (might?) drive it I could hopefully appease her by selling my Volvo 940 estate (which she hates) for something else she might hate less It would be a talking point up at our local pub! The things we do as classic car enthusiasts, eh? Life would be easier if we could put our obsessions to bed and all drive round in EV's (God forbid)!!  Cheers  Graham 3 gerg, bear351c and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites