CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 19, 2019 will be interesting thats for shore,i might go grab it today and pay later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 hey do you think cleveland block huggers will fit a 400 in a x series as a alternate to std cast iron manifolds ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 20, 2019 hey do you think cleveland block huggers will fit a 400 in a x series as a alternate to std cast iron manifolds ?I reckon they will if they tuck in tightly, but then the engine mounts are different so that may be an unforseen problem. Tower clearance might be very tight. I think spark plugs could be a weekend job.The decks are over an inch taller than a clevo so I reckon the engine would sit at least 1/2” closer to the tower on each side.Best way to determine any fitment issues is to measure the tower clearance on a clevo, get a measuring tape and add the difference in deck height to the top of the cylinder head to the tower at the closest point.Bonnet clearance could become an issue as the manifold and carby also sit higher than stock. You would have to run a carby without a spacer and a drop base air cleaner, unless you like air cleaners sticking out.Sump should be std clevo so a Falcon one should work.I dunno how tunnel clearance will go with the big block C6, but I have heard that 429/460s are a total bolt-in, mounts and all, with no issues noted. I could be wrong on this, but I hope not. I would love to do this swap myself.Sent from my CPH1903 using Tapatalk 2 CHESTNUTXE and Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 thinking of getting a xc fairmont wagon or similar just getting some ideas,is xa xb xc any wider than xd xe xf ? probly forget xf as the heater box bulge is a no go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 there is also a c4 up the road to suit a big block,some food for thought 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 20, 2019 thinking of getting a xc fairmont wagon or similar just getting some ideas,is xa xb xc any wider than xd xe xf ? probly forget xf as the heater box bulge is a no go.The earlier 70s falcs would be better for bonnet clearance. Width wise, XA-B-C would be the same as XD-E-F. XY and earlier are the narrower ones.Sent from my CPH1903 using Tapatalk 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 interesting i remember in street machine mag in 80's a guy had a 400 in a xy so anymore room would be a bounus. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 any type of sedan is just pulling massive money now,but a wagon is not everybody's cup of tea,but a xa xb xc fairmont or falcon wagon is still in the game, had some weird thoughts about a concord front end with scott inj hat ,black paint job,chevy drop exhaust,with black steel wheels ect,and number plate 2VMAX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 another project car i havent forgotten about is a allan moffat special rotting away not far from here hidden from prying eyes,its number 442 of fivehundred built 302c rally pack ect,has all tags and already confirmed its the real deal thru the gt club,but i reckon if i tried to pull it out it would snap in half,sad really but would need a donor sedan to revive ,slight possibility it could be saved,it's all there i looked underneath borgy disc diff,air con,302c ,t bar,not pretty,could be the most rusted falc i have ever seen,owner wants 5k,grrrr maybe i can try to get it a bit cheaper,i did have some pics of it on here somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boingk 862 Posted December 20, 2019 A bloke not too far from me has two XE wagons for sale. One is neat but has a bit of rust, the other is average exterior but quite solid. Asking 1500 the pair, getting them to you would be the killer. 2 CHESTNUTXE and gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 20, 2019 grumpys performance centre in america has about 4 different master rebuild kits for the 400,with 71,72 then 73 to 77 then 78 to 82 ,might drive down to ol m8s and see if he can let me take the engine so we can go over it. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 21, 2019 The good thing about these "stroker" engines (basically what they are) is that you can get away with a very mild valvetrain because you don't have to rpm the shit out of it to make power. I reckon a working limit of 5500 would still get you 300hp with some basic head work and still pull suburbs with the midrange torque. It might end up being a pretty cost-effective build on that front.A modest redline is needed also if running stock rods and bolts. 4" stroke is more than a crossy or 300 six. It actually has the longest stroke of any production Ford engine, even longer than any big-blocks.Sent from my CPH1903 using Tapatalk 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 21, 2019 temeyer has a 429 and 443 stroker kit for the 400 also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 21, 2019 i have only seen 1 picture of a 4 barrel cast iron intake and it was a spreadbore,but weiand do a nice one as does edelbrock,or use the spacer kit and wack on a clevo assortment of manifolds but like gerg said yee aint gunna be spinning this engine too high ,a std performer style will work fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boingk 862 Posted December 21, 2019 Here you go mate, cheap intake for you: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-351-M-400-Falcon-F100-Edelbrock-Intake-Manifold/193218096868?hash=item2cfcb22ee4:g:56UAAOSwbI9d1RdC 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 21, 2019 i already have that on my watchlist but would prefer put another 200 on top and buy a new one,the weiand one. 1 Boingk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 21, 2019 These were a torque/economy manifold back in the fuel crisis days, designed to be a high velocity, low performance solution for gas-guzzlers, sort of like the dual-port Offenhouser. I don't think it would increase performance over the stock one, but would have great torque down low. Just look at those arrow slits for ports on the second pic Sent from my CPH1903 using Tapatalk 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 21, 2019 there is also another EGR edelbrock 400 intake i see on e bay also more $$$ looks like a weiand accelerator sought of,and heaps of people are watching it ?? maybe thats the one to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 23, 2019 there is also another EGR edelbrock 400 intake i see on e bay also more $$$ looks like a weiand accelerator sought of,and heaps of people are watching it ?? maybe thats the one to get.Hey check these 400 mounts now that looks like it will bolt on to our v8 chassis platesSent from my SM-G570Y using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 23, 2019 Hey check these 400 mounts now that looks like it will bolt on to our v8 chassis platesSent from my SM-G570Y using TapatalkOr these ,they come in a 3 bolt configuration for a 400 or 2 bolt for clevoSent from my SM-G570Y using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 23, 2019 I tried those cheapo ones on my 302, broke pretty quickly. I reckon a 400 will just laugh at one of those mountsSent from my CPH1903 using Tapatalk 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 23, 2019 I tried those cheapo ones on my 302, broke pretty quickly. I reckon a 400 will just laugh at one of those mountsSent from my CPH1903 using TapatalkI found out also 2v clevo extractor will fit but 1 pipe mod is needed to clear steering box ,in easy terms needs a dent put in it but the normal cast iron units fit but will burn paint off the towerSent from my SM-G570Y using Tapatalk 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 24, 2019 I found out also 2v clevo extractor will fit but 1 pipe mod is needed to clear steering box ,in easy terms needs a dent put in it but the normal cast iron units fit but will burn paint off the towerSent from my SM-G570Y using TapatalkJust food for thought at this stage we know a 302w will fit straight in without hitting the heater pipes or steering gear fitted with extractors but the 400 im not sure about the passenger side heater box as it sticks out ,i have seen 351c in xf but heater pipes were cut its going to cost about the same to set both engines up with mounts ect any ideas ? Sell the 5.o which is a safe bet in fittments or get busy with dummy fitting the 400 first while the crossy is out ? And then the c6 hmmmmSent from my SM-G570Y using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted December 24, 2019 Heaters are over rated....... cut hole in firewall, weld in flat plate. Shoehorn 400 in, jobs done. Seriously, stick with the 302. 2 Boingk and CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,311 Posted December 24, 2019 i would say the 400 would go in a lot easyer up to xe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites