deankxf

bumping this for new members @Crebe (quality of protex brake master cyl) 

11 minutes ago, Crebe said:

Can anyone tell me if they hace pit a 4 spd auto in an xr 1966. I have one in my ute and think it maybe at the wrong agle for the box to tailshaft. Its possible someone couldnt get it up into the tunnel enough. Do xr xt xw xy have different tunnel sizes as in bigger than xr?

@Thom may know? did  the manual XR have a smaller tunnel than the auto ones? 
this is the case with some earlier stuff from memory. 

51 minutes ago, Nato of Falcons said:

Hey everyone!

 

Good news, im healthy again and workiing on cars.

 

In the time ive been away I have had my XF falcon' dash crack... Sad days.

 

Is  there anything I can do to fix this? I thought Id start here because you guys have been so helpful along the resto of this one. (ignore the filth its been like 6 months)

 

Thanks for that and I hope you are all doing really well hey.

 

you can glue a dash mat on it.. fixed. 

the state of the other trim is pretty rough, sure it's not worth finding another interior or do you have good trim for it?

you can get them redone at huge expense ($800 rings a bell)

i've seen (and i'm likely to do similar on My gemini one) slicing out the high part of the crack so it's a bit lower than the top, mixing up some fibreglass resin and laying it in the crack , then bogging over, sanding and painting the whole thing . 

depends on your budget and if you care if it' cracks again(i think it's so brittle now it's likely to crack again anyway unless fully recovered)

7 hours ago, fotz said:

already have the ef radiator so let me have a muck around with it on the weekend and check where it’s getting caught and check the approach you followed.

i don't have any pics handy, but we fitted an EF radiator and fans to an XG of My mates' last year, this was done by using approximately 50mm square tube to space up the bottom, mounting XF lower mounts to that (for the radiator to sit on, 2 wide rubber pads unlike the XF radiator uses 2 different size end tanks)

and the top mounts as i modded on My XE. 

this was due to fitting an EF EL engine to it (easier to find than another EA EB ED XG engine these days)

1 hour ago, fotz said:

would have thought that the XG would fit nicely -

this is a quote from Ant's wagon thread with LS2 or LS3? engine 
 

Just thinking about this.

The car now has a ve radiator and fans and when it was tuned I asked Phonsey to drop the temp at which the ecu turns the fans on as it always ran a bit hot with the falcon fans and radiator.

It cools itself brilliantly now.

The temp guage gets to 3/4, the fans kick in and within 20 seconds they pull the temp back to 1/4 so it's never really hot.

posts mentioning radiator in his thread are here (changed from modified use XD radiator when changing the intake setup to an over the radiator "OTR" setup. 
 http://www.ozfalcon.com.au/index.php?/search/&q=radiator&type=forums_topic&item=37

39 minutes ago, fotz said:

Thanks @deankxf I already have an EF radiator - with air con - it won’t fit. Those radiators are too wide (approx. 70mm wider than XG) need something narrower. The top

and bottom holes is the same for e series / au Windsor from what I can see.

 

I would have thought that the XG would fit nicely - given it has a the same front end as an XF. The positioning of the hoses with a narrower radiator and the hose sizes was the only thing I was worried about. From what I can see from pictures the XG has different size top and bottom, where Windsor looks the same top and bottom, I assumed I could get some hoses to manage this. 
 

Your photo is questioning me on this but, when I try slot it in the radiator is hitting against the air con canister and pipes.

My XE had the XE Air con condensor installed with that radiator, i would expect an XF one to be in the same spot(identical radiator hole to XE)

XG uses a completely different bottom radiator mount setup, i also questioned people regarding this when i did the conversion. (i got an XG radiator to try prove them wrong, and an AU one .. didn't fit.) 
the EF one will fit if you cut a slot for the side pipe(fill hose)

XG and EA EB ED have bigger size lower radiator hose outlets .. the EA EB ED are the same size as EF EL otherwise, XG narrower but possibly deeper, maybe the lower hose hit the cross member the caster rods mount to? i can't remember. 
XG is different by far to XD XE XF though in the lower radiator mount area. 

i think Ants used a commodore radiator and fan ? in his XD wagon with LS2 engine. 
i'll see if i can find the post, it was a neat fit 

11 hours ago, fotz said:

On another note - has anyone fitted an XG radiator with EF/EL Thermo fans onto a Windsor EFI motor?

I’m planning to get the xg bottom and top mounts and thinking this will bolt straight in. EF radiator fans will need to modified to fit onto the radiator slightly. Hoses should also pretty much line up (I think)

 

Just wanted to see if this has been done before or should I just use an XD-XF radiator and modify the thermo fans to that?

The EA to EL(XH same) radiator is a better fit than XG. The ef el.have same size outlet top and bottom. 

Not sure what size the Windsor has. 

I have a pic of my xe with el radiator and Thermos with 1uz engine but not sure if you will even have space. I'll see if I can find it if we get power back on after the storms..still no power here eastern suburbs melb

from memory you can set the bottom mounts to fit the radiator (like an XF) and the top i cut the EF mounting tabs off and modified the top XF mounts with a bracket (cut the mounting part off the hook part and sat the radidiator in and made a plate for between and welded. ) 
i can't remember why you can't use the top mounts, but i have seen them used with mods to the car. 
you need to cut a piece out of the side support near headlight mounts for the header tank /fill port neck to clear. 

2 hours ago, Panko said:

the number of people who came to me and wanted to talk to me about the car, because they had heard its story, and what it had been through, was a little overwhelming. 

Absolutely amazing results and credit to you for turning around another write off decision by insurers. 

Been a pleasure following the restoration here and hearing the ups and downs of the process. 

So glad it's transformed by the tasteful modifications into a better road car too!

1 hour ago, Fknclevo said:

planning to build 250 crossflow to around 400rwhp but curious as the what anyone else has ran to do it

bottom end : seen kits online with 200 rods and ross pistons is this a good kit? cant seem to really find any cranks are the standard ones good are people swapping them out for something else (e series cranks or something) 

are there any oiling issues and shit i should worry about?

top end : planning on ports heads etc etc but what valve train parts is everyone running 

what kind of carb is everyone using (want to keep it carby)

found exhaust manifolds and everything online 

what kinda of turbos is everyone using 

seen an ice control system for turbo crossflow is this any good?

yes i understand barras and intechs are a better power route no i dont want to be told to just engine swap it, cheers for your help 

depends on what your budget is, you should read Slydog's thread entirely. 

he's not been on and posting for a long while, but you'll get a fair idea of what's doable and what's needed (it blew up earlier in the thread, so make sure to keep reading to see what failed and why *I can't remember)

pretty sure he's kept the stock rod length, and it's using an EF crank, (more counterweights for better balance)

later in the thread it's now boosted

57 minutes ago, fotz said:

I’ve been looking at the wiring and just checking everything off. Something I haven’t really figured out yet is the alternator. It’s a 3 pin alternator on the motor, does anyone have any advice on how to hook this up in the XF. I have the 3 pin connector it only has 2 wires on it.

 

Currently the XF has 

B+
D+
+
D-

 

The alternator on the Windsor has absolutely no markings. I assume the main connection will go directly to the battery, the 2 wires on the 3 pin connector I am assuming one is the alternator warning lamp the other needs to loop back onto the positive connection on the alternator. Have searched and can’t really find anything on these alternators. Anyone done this before able to explain how they managed this?

 

Thanks 

@SPArKy_Dave may speak that language? 

i vaguely remember one terminal needs power put to it to excite some part of it.. not enough memory to advise anything

2 hours ago, Sacko7 said:

I am about to change it to a 2.92 but I have been told that the V8 actually had a 2.77.

in My experience most borg warner diff V8s were 2.92 (9" had 2.75) 

there's only 5% difference to them. 

2.92 at 100kmh would be about  2400rpm

2.77 at 100 would be 2300 ish

3.45 XR6 diff you have should be 2850rpm 

3.23 XR8 diff would be about 2650/2700rpm 

if you have a ready to fit 2.92 diff, just chuck it in,

2.77 isn't enough difference to be worried about even on a 6cyl 99% of the time. 

2 hours ago, Banno said:

Thought you get bored of the 2.53 with Eshays in Kia Rio’s beating you at the lights!


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kia rio would probably chop a stock XE no matter what the diff ratio. i reckon the 2018 i30 we have would chop a stock 351 ESP even down the 1/4

16 minutes ago, SPACK said:

The 2.77 is NOT lame..however i am having to go through the gears to fast , the ratio is too low, I have an AU /several actually, with around the same HP, and the ratios being 3.23/3.45 are better suited to the HP..I want the XF to run out longer as the engine runs out near 5400 RPM, I want the diff to run out longer..

what do you mean run out longer?

2.77 with an auto will do say 90kmh ish in 1st gear at 5400rpm

3.23 by comparison might be around 70kmh.  (but will take off faster) 

7 hours ago, Adrian853 said:

Interestingly, the Global West springs seem to be a lot stiffer than the Pedders

In My experience, Pedders were the softest of all the aftermarket springs, when i asked/mentioned this to Pedders, they said we recommend a sway bar upgrade also (they sell a package type)

3 hours ago, iamaelephant said:

I lifted the car and the spring easily popped back into its saddle.

this makes me believe they are standard length shocks , 

big bore(handle the stronger springs) and short stroke (stop the shock bottoming out and also retain the spring better) would be the go. 

you'll be amazed at what new(good quality) shocks do to a falcon

6 hours ago, CHESTNUTXE said:

Most spring saddles come with that rubber Dean ,weather it does anything, my ones I just fitted had the rubber,but some don't.

never seen it, in at least 50 cars i've poked around with(including at wreckers)

5 hours ago, iamaelephant said:

here's some pictures, they're a bit shit

those pics show the springs are BEEFY, i suspect not cut stock ones. and it's seated on the saddle well with surprisingly rubber pads under(never seen anyone do that before)

THE SHOCKER IS STUFFED (covered in oil) this could be the noise, i'd remove it and see how stuffed it actually is

Ride height looks at LOWS height, which is a good height for drivability, bump stop clearance looks sufficient also and hasn't been pounded away from a soft spring.. 

fit some BIG BORE short stroke shocks,  there's budget ones on ebay AU, but if you can stretch for Koni brand they were the choice back in the day (i've only had Pedders branded ones, which i liked) 

1 hour ago, iamaelephant said:

I had some weird suspension noise develop today on the front left. I haven't had time to get under it and inspect properly, but from looking through the shock tower gaps it looks like the spring has popped partly out of the spring seat. Do you guys know what would have caused this, and is there an easy way to solve it without spring compressors? The ute has been lowered, but it was done by previous owners so I don't know exactly how.

 

Do the springs seat against the body or does the shock have a seat on top? I guess what I'm really asking is, when I lift the car by the frame and the wheels hang, are the springs under compression? If not, I hope I can just drop the shock from the top and re-jig the spring into its seat.

the top part of the spring is flat, it sits in a bit of a recess so wouldn't have any issue there unless it wasn't put in properly initially (possibly but unlikely)

the part that sits on the spring saddle has a tail end that is meant to sit on the spring saddle against a stop. (rotated into position when it's not under tension when fitting it initially)
 

if you jack up the car (both wheels off the ground otherwise the sway bar will hold tension)

the shocks should hold the spring captive, if not either you have superlows with standards shocks or ultra lows 

check everything is still bolted up right

proper springs will be red (pedders) blue(lovels) yellow (kings ) orange(kmac) etc but if they are plastic coated black, they will be cut and therefore don't usually sit on the saddle well(or drive very well either, boing boing bump stop crash etc)

you should be able to jack up the side that's got issues under the lower control arm, take the weight off the shocker then loosen/remove shock bolts and let the arm down further..
pedders, king, springs etc if LOWS ) will be movable in there with some mild force, super lows and ultralow will be easy to reseat/reposition.

cut springs will be soft enough to wrestle back into position (or the bin if you plan to drive the car much) 

i'd be checking if a lower control arm bush or something else failed while you are under there(caster rubber if nolathane etc)

1 hour ago, Adrian853 said:

Ah, seller also responded; reckons the pitman difference is to accommodate the 4.0 and sway bar.

 

sway bar is no where near the pitman arm, i'd be dubious if they know what they are on about, i also don't think the 4.0 is any different clearance wise to a clevo, so another sounding like rubbish response. 

easy way to tell would be to see if the part number is same for XG and XA XB XC XD XE V8 and an XF 6cyl with power steering, i'm betting they are all the same and only the manual one is different

28 minutes ago, Adrian853 said:

Great info thanks!

What’s the difference in the pitman arm? Would it screw with bump steer or Ackerman?
Or is the pitman why power steer has an apparently larger turning circle?


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they don't interchange from memory,

i don't know about ackerman angle changes, but it would be wise to check if it's put the toe out after fitting. 

it's possibly a different shape and length, and yeah you end up with a larger turning circle which is a considerable annoyance at times. (depending on the use of the car, i prefer the manual ones due to the ultra reliability of them) 

1 hour ago, Adrian853 said:

 

Hello folks,

 

I’m in NZ and shopping for parts for my XA.

 

Have found a XG steering box which is obviously power steering, and perhaps roller bearing top? The seller says the pitman arm is different.

I also read that maybe the steering column XA to XG is a different size, the XG being bigger?

 

So, should I grab this box and what would I need to do to fit it into the XA. Would plan to use Astra electric power steering pump.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

 

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I'm not 100% but 99% sure the only difference between a XA and XG power steering box  is the return pipe (instead of straight up, it comes out to the side) and should be roller bearing in the top cover as many rebuilds would have had this done as a retro fit i believe also if not. 

*the pitman arm on power steering is different, so you'll need a power steering one fitted if it's a bare box(XA one would fit the XG box, and XG one would fit the XA drag link) 

** the steering column to rag joint distance differs on power steering to manual box, this is changed by tapping up/in or down/out the end of the steering column at the box end(collapsible column the end can slide up with some effort in a crash) 

i can never remember which way it needs for fitting a power steering box (done it both ways before) i levered against the firewall due to not being fussed about scratches to extend one once, but if you undo the dust boot/panel in the footwell, you can tap it down to the box from there easily. or if it needs going the other way, it's just some tap taps with the hammer from the engine bay side.

if you already had power steering, an XG box would be a direct fit other than the return hose which shouldn't be an issue (might be pointing the wrong way for a show car pipe run perhaps with hidden astra pump?)

with the information above, you should be able to verify it with some other sources/pictures and go from there. 

5 hours ago, Rayinsydney said:

Hello and  happy new year to all, 

 

My XE wagon has a rear drivers side handle issue, it opens fine from the inside, wont open from the outside , would this be a door handle issue, or inside mech issue?.

 

Previously , I've had issues with the door closing , and staying closed...it simply wouldn't stay closed, I put in a second hand striker mech in which seemed to deal with that , now it won't open from the outside.

 

any tips much appreciated, 

 

Ray

I've had to bend the rods, and reposition the pivot before to take up some slack on rear doors. i suspect due to non genuine handle ? 

4 minutes ago, Panko said:

It could well be valve bounce  

could also be POINT BOUNCE, i recall it being an issue on something i had, gap too wide possibly but mine was caused by worn dizzy bushings 

1 hour ago, Panko said:

The 1660 with 5 speed drives incredible.

certainly looks amazing with the all the detailing. 

i'd definitely be trying another oil pressure gauge asap, stuck on 20 max seems like a gauge needle fouling on something inside?

has it got decent valve springs? could it be the 5000rpm valve spring bouncing?

1 hour ago, Gold XR said:

I'm in need of some advice on replacing the sill panel on my XR.

I can't remember where Graham has mentioned, but he sources different parts from different suppliers due to fitment/pressing quality. has probably mentioned it on his youtube channel i follow.

you could ask on his facebook message and he'd probably reply https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057648759819

or see if you can find the mention on his recent ish XY build if he's mentioned it on his youtube channel XACOUPEGUY https://www.youtube.com/@xacoupeguy he may also reply in comments of youtube. 

either that or see if anyone else pops up with a mention (usually who to avoid) if you can wait longer for a reply