Panko 2,480 Posted November 4, 2019 Hi Guys, I know I know, its probably (not probably, it has) been covered many times, BUT, I have never looked into it. Other than the rocker cover modification, what else needs to be done to convert an EFi crossflow to run roller rockers? the engine is freshly built, ACL pistons, standard compression ratio, Crow 14892 cam, 217 lift @ .50" for both intake and exhaust. I figure i should try get the most out of this new engine. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FORD_MAN 1,026 Posted November 4, 2019 Just a rocker cover spacer or cut & raise the low section of the EFi rocker cover from what I know, Yella terra "street terra" bolt on/pedestal mount are a easy fit, ST2034 from memory, O & your EFi won't like a cam that size, heck they run ruff if you pull the dip stick out, around 206-208° is about biggest XF computer will happily run from what I've read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, FORD_MAN said: Just a rocker cover spacer or cut & raise the low section of the EFi rocker cover from what I know, Yella terra "street terra" bolt on/pedestal mount are a easy fit, ST2034 from memory, O & your EFi won't like a cam that size, heck they run ruff if you pull the dip stick out, around 206-208° is about biggest XF computer will happily run from what I've read. yep thats the kit im going to run with. i got it wrong, the cam is 215. im just going to try it and see what happens I know someone running a wade cam with similar specs on standard EFi system, and he said it runs fine, even with a rough idle. might need a bit of tweaking of the vane meter and timing, but will see what happens. when I go turbo it will need an aftermarket ecu anyway. 1 FORD_MAN reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy2287 1,886 Posted November 5, 2019 Chuck a wideband sniffer in and adjust the vein to get favourable afr. Should run okay. Interested to hear how it goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Crazy2287 said: Chuck a wideband sniffer in and adjust the vein to get favourable afr. Should run okay. Interested to hear how it goes. wideband sniffer? as in o2 sensor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy2287 1,886 Posted November 7, 2019 Yeah. Sniffer is an o2 sensor on a clamp that you can fit temporarily to the tailpipe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 7, 2019 thanks mate. Because i havent done this sort of thing before, how do i measure the AFR? Or is it worth me finding a workshop that can help me out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy2287 1,886 Posted November 7, 2019 You'll have to burrow a sniffer, or buy a wideband and gauge combo and built it into your own sniffer. Or buy a stand alone wideband and permanently install it. 1 Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 7, 2019 Having a bit of a look for inspiration, ill likely end up making a portable unit out of a wide band. it will come in handy tuning my Escort as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XF0747 69 Posted November 9, 2019 also when you space the rocker cover for rollers, have to machine the inlet on a slight angle for the added height for the rocker cover Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, XF0747 said: also when you space the rocker cover for rollers, have to machine the inlet on a slight angle for the added height for the rocker cover do i need to space the rocker cover if i modify it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ando81 2,949 Posted November 9, 2019 do i need to space the rocker cover if i modify it? Just be careful modifying the rocker cover. I bought a modified one and it had warped out of shape when it was welded. Someone had cut out the lower section and welded in a flat piece on so it went straight across. The heat from the welding had pulled the front of the cover upwards and the rear slightly upwards also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, Ando81 said: Just be careful modifying the rocker cover. I bought a modified one and it had warped out of shape when it was welded. Someone had cut out the lower section and welded in a flat piece on so it went straight across. The heat from the welding had pulled the front of the cover upwards and the rear slightly upwards also. Yeh I know... That was my old rocker cover. I bought it like that, and did not realise it had done that. otherwise id have not sold it to you. My neighbour seems to think he can do it without it warping. id imagine it needs to be bolted down flat while its being welded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ando81 2,949 Posted November 10, 2019 Ha ha, I wasn’t sure if it was you or Campo that I got it off. I think if the welder has too many amps going into the weld it is more likely to make the weld pull the surrounding material out of shape. Good luck, hopefully this time it works out nicely for you 1 Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panko 2,480 Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ando81 said: Ha ha, I wasn’t sure if it was you or Campo that I got it off. I think if the welder has too many amps going into the weld it is more likely to make the weld pull the surrounding material out of shape. Good luck, hopefully this time it works out nicely for you Yeah I felt so bad after you told me it was no good Well i have 3 rocker covers he can play with to get it right haha. one of them is a leaded (no knock sensor or ISC valve) cover, so im not worried if he stuffs that up getting it right. then i have 2 unleaded ones inc. the one on the original engine still in the car. 1 Ando81 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ando81 2,949 Posted November 10, 2019 Don’t feel bad mate, wasn’t your fault 1 Panko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy2287 1,886 Posted November 11, 2019 You can use a die grinder on the back of the rockers and on the close tolerance parts of the rocker cover to get clearance. Only some of the rockers hit, most clear. My Yella Terra rollers and rocker cover are machined like this and it gave enough clearance for a 510" lift hyd cam. Using a paper gasket and factory intake setup, everything cleared. Though it hit when I upgraded to a 535" lift. Instead of increasing the machining, I got a piece of 4mm Ally. And used a jigsaw to cut it into a spacer to go under the cover using a paper gasket on each side. Cost me fk all and has been working for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,513 Posted November 24, 2019 Or use an old steel rocker cover with no mods? My cam is smidge bigger than yours and i have no issues with clearance.Sent from my SM-J330G using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boingk 862 Posted November 24, 2019 I run two cork gaskets on my EFI cast cover and only had to clearance the inside of the throttle cable cutout just a tiny bit, literally a few passes with an angle grinder. All the rest of the rockers were fine. The camshaft I'm running is 550 lift. Yours is 510 lift and 215@50 duration so you should be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites