Corty74 5 Posted November 25, 2018 Hi I am restoring a 74 TC Cortina for my sons first car. It had a 200 precrossflow engine and I want to replace it with a 250 crossflow I got out of an XC Falcon. The engine mounts seem straight forward but the sump will need to be changed can anyone tell me can I install the sump and oil pick up off the 200 precrossflow motor on the 250 crossflow? Also what do I need to do for the dipstick cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,260 Posted November 25, 2018 Not too sure on this one, but if you go ahead with it, post up heaps of pics. There are a few old girls on here, and the info would be real handy for anyone else thinking of doing the swap. Is the TC a stocky? XLE, or a pommy 2 door? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,231 Posted November 26, 2018 i'd have guessed they are same sump, the falcon block may have the rear mount dipstick boss, either needing drilling or punching out a plug?@Thom may be able to confirm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thom 6,639 Posted November 26, 2018 i'd have guessed they are same sump, the falcon block may have the rear mount dipstick boss, either needing drilling or punching out a plug?[mention=43]Thom[/mention] may be able to confirm. There are crossflow cortina sumps[mention=7196]chestnutxe[/mention] had one on one of his engines (I don't know if he kept it) I don'tknow if the pre crossflow and crossflow sumps interchange I've never tried it, some cross flows have the boss in the side of the block for the rear sump dipstick drilled out with a tiny little Welch plug in it, some don't, its pretty easy to drill out if you have the sump off anyway, you will also need the oil pickup to suit and the main cap bolt that has a stud on top to mount the pickup to 2 CHESTNUTXE and gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted November 26, 2018 I'm not sure if a TE/TF sump will fit in a TC/TD chassis, as the steering rack and suspension is backwards from one series to the other. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ando76 4,354 Posted November 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, gerg said: I'm not sure if a TE/TF sump will fit in a TC/TD chassis, as the steering rack and suspension is backwards from one series to the other. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Nah. Same same. The castor bars go to the front on tc td and towards the rear on Te tf. On,y really a problem if you put a kick out on the drivers side of the sump (like you usually would on a speedway car). I believe the bolt patterns and half moons are identical between pre and crossflow. I have a precrossflow engine innthe back of my work ute that I have to strip later this week so I'll have a better idea but I'm certain you will be able to use pre crossflow on actual x flow. 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted November 26, 2018 I have both engines or of the car so I think I’ll pull the sumps of the both of them and try the precrossflow on the 250. Will have to see if the pick ups can interchange as well I will try to find the dipstick poisition is it still on the same side of the block? It’s XL but was in reasonable shape when we found it, this is the day we brought her home. We are painting her this weekend went with the new Ford Mustang Yellow to stay with a Ford colour. 👍 2 bear351c and 351XD_Fairmont reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,260 Posted November 27, 2018 Sweet ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted December 12, 2018 Hi guys just an update on the Corty the sump and pick up both fit perfectly from the 200 precrossflow onto the 250 crossflow. Engine goes in tomorrow. 👍👍 1 deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 12, 2018 That's what you call Winning! Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,231 Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Corty74 said: Hi guys just an update on the Corty the sump and pick up both fit perfectly from the 200 precrossflow onto the 250 crossflow. Engine goes in tomorrow. 👍👍 how'd the dipstick hole go? already there in the falcon block? punch out a plug or need drilling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted December 12, 2018 I knocked out the ballbearing they use to plug the rear dipstick hole and used it to plug the front one. I tried to buy a new dipstick for the 250 but not one supplier could get one. In the end I brought one for a 351 motor and cut the pipe down so the dipstick was the exact distance off the pick up. Little bit of mucking around but come up perfect. 👍 2 Thom and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,231 Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Corty74 said: I knocked out the ballbearing they use to plug the rear dipstick hole and used it to plug the front one. I tried to buy a new dipstick for the 250 but not one supplier could get one. In the end I brought one for a 351 motor and cut the pipe down so the dipstick was the exact distance off the pick up. Little bit of mucking around but come up perfect. 👍 perfect. now some more people know, and this post/thread can help others in the future. not surprised you can't get parts these days, i was getting issues 10yrs ago for XFs and XEs . wreckers or ebay seemed to be the only way for many items.. now it's facebook. no fees on selling has many people avoid ebay completely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted December 26, 2018 Can any of you guys help me with the location of the temperature sender unit/sensor in the 4.1 crossflow motor? The motor is out of a XC falcon. It is a cast iron head model and I’ve only every played with the alloy head models which the sensor is alway in the front of the head on the intake side. The oil pressure sensor is in the same location as the pre-crossflow motor but the temp sensor has me stuffed. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,260 Posted December 26, 2018 Been a lone time, is it on the block, passenger side, towards the back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,231 Posted December 27, 2018 3 hours ago, bear351c said: Been a lone time, is it on the block, passenger side, towards the back? think it's still on the head, but location might be right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 27, 2018 I quizzed a bloke who used to install them, he seems to vaguely remember inlet side at the back of the head. Edit: I think that's it below #6 inlet port (top head) Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted December 29, 2018 Thanks guys you were spot on just below the inlet manifold towards the back of the head. It didn’t have one in it when I brought the engine but I’ve found the spot. I’m going to put a thermo fan in it where would you guys recommend putting the temp sensor for that. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 29, 2018 Thanks guys you were spot on just below the inlet manifold towards the back of the head. It didn’t have one in it when I brought the engine but I’ve found the spot. I’m going to put a thermo fan in it where would you guys recommend putting the temp sensor for that. Cheers I drilled and tapped into the thermostat housing for the switch on my EA. My 302 wags has it going into one of the ports where a vacuum switch would normally be. Basically any point at the top of the engine that senses coolant at the hottest point (ie: going out of the engine to the radiator). Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,260 Posted December 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, gerg said: My 302 wags has it going into one of the ports where a vacuum switch would normally be. You didn't use the plug next to the water pump? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 30, 2018 You didn't use the plug next to the water pump? Yeah I think that's the one. 3/8" NPT or so. I know that's going into the engine but there aren't many options on a Clevo. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk 1 bear351c reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FORD_MAN 1,026 Posted December 30, 2018 Next to the waterpump on a clevo is for the temp sensor that goes to the dash, The threaded hole on top of the thermostat housing is 3/8" Gas, Tridon thermo fan switch will fit straight into there, A TFS110 will turn fans on at 85°C & off at 80°C & TFS111 is on at 95°C & off at 90°C. simply run the ground wire from the relay to the TFS. I run this on the Clevo my Black ute 2 Fingers and gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 30, 2018 I have my switch in the threaded port below the heater return nipple on the water pump. Same deal, screws straight in. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corty74 5 Posted December 31, 2018 Thanks I’ll check the water pump I don’t remember there being a extra outlet on it but it might be there I’ve used a new brass fitting on the thermostat housing for the heater house and thought maybe I could drill it and tap a 1/8 thread for the sensor. Im just not sure if that’s where it needs to be as it won’t gave water flow until the thermostat opens. Ill also look at the vacuum port I’m just waiting for the new manifold to turn up for the 350 Holley so I’ll check it as well. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted December 31, 2018 Thanks I’ll check the water pump I don’t remember there being a extra outlet on it but it might be there I’ve used a new brass fitting on the thermostat housing for the heater house and thought maybe I could drill it and tap a 1/8 thread for the sensor. Im just not sure if that’s where it needs to be as it won’t gave water flow until the thermostat opens. Ill also look at the vacuum port I’m just waiting for the new manifold to turn up for the 350 Holley so I’ll check it as well. CheersYou definitely want the fans to come on a lot longer after the thermostat opens. The thermostat housing is actually ideal because it senses how hot the water is coming out of the engine. Anywhere on the water pump will be sensing the cooled water that just came out of the radiator. You'll have your fans cycling like crazy.Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites