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You'd think that with so many revisions, they'd use a different part number on the pillow block but no... still the same D2AE number that most clevos got. As these blocks were Aussie only and quite special, they really should have had one that went something like "82DA", "E2AE" or "ARD2AE", which all denote some kind of local change. Ford's numbering system wasn't really a system at all.

Didn't some of them wind up in ambulances and heavy duty work like that?

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Yes ambos and f trucks a few anything xe era or a tad later till 85 i think,check the 302c crank next to the 400 one,5ma a44ba736b3f6bd15bb72b97384010f28.jpgd73f731eb634d7bbbcdea67b19a0b1ed.jpg

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Yes ambos and f trucks a few anything xe era or a tad later till 85 i think,check the 302c crank next to the 400 one,5ma a44ba736b3f6bd15bb72b97384010f28.jpgd73f731eb634d7bbbcdea67b19a0b1ed.jpg

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Just getting back to that last block i cleaned up jh63au is a july 82 build zk hmmmmm even thou cast in nov 79

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Just getting back to that last block i cleaned up jh63au is a july 82 build zk hmmmmm even thou cast in nov 79

 

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I think Ford back then we're just running down their remaining V8 stock, just like in the RPO83 days, they'd shove them in anything.
Yes ambos and f trucks a few anything xe era or a tad later till 85 i think,check the 302c crank next to the 400 one,5ma a44ba736b3f6bd15bb72b97384010f28.jpgd73f731eb634d7bbbcdea67b19a0b1ed.jpg

 

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And DeTomaso were still buying them up until 1988, getting them built in Switzerland I believe by a tuning shop over there and shoving them in the Panteras. So Ford Oz had a secret stash somewhere.... Then after some time around then, DeTomaso switched to the 5.0 Windsor.

 

Funny how again the part numbers are screwy when it comes to Oz revisions. All the US-sourced designs kept the "1M, 2M, 4M, 4MA, 5M" etc numbers (including locally made 4MAs) but the Aussie-only 302 just had "302" cast into it.

 

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And DeTomaso were still buying them up until 1988, getting them built in Switzerland I believe by a tuning shop over there and shoving them in the Panteras. So Ford Oz had a secret stash somewhere.... Then after some time around then, DeTomaso switched to the 5.0 Windsor. 
Funny how again the part numbers are screwy when it comes to Oz revisions. All the US-sourced designs kept the "1M, 2M, 4M, 4MA, 5M" etc numbers (including locally made 4MAs) but the Aussie-only 302 just had "302" cast into it.
 
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Gerg it also could be only the xe onwards blocks had the gf foundry mark and basic xd clevo block still had the older cf stamp even tho dizzy end was smaller ?

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because thats 2 black blocks now with the cf foundry mark,the pillowblock i had was a GF mark,pretty weird how a block could sit for 3 years and not get used until the death of the clevo ? but v8 sales were getting thin back then as 4cyl cars were much more popular,or it sat on the eagle farm line in a bunch of hundreds until used up.

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Gerg it also could be only the xe onwards blocks had the gf foundry mark and basic xd clevo block still had the older cf stamp even tho dizzy end was smaller ?

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I think Ford Oz just used whatever moulds they had available, and by the time the GF blocks came about, they may have tweaked them a bit just because the old masters were getting a bit worn (hence the core shift) .. really dunno. The only way to solve this mystery is to talk to someone who was involved in the production.

The block in my wagon was out of a 75 XB ute. Still had Cf in the normal spot.

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5 minutes ago, gerg said:

and by the time the GF blocks came about, they may have tweaked them a bit just because the old masters were getting a bit worn (hence the core shift) .

i was told about 25yrs ago the black heads were better for porting due to core shift on the older ones.. no idea on the blocks though

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i was told about 25yrs ago the black heads were better for porting due to core shift on the older ones.. no idea on the blocks though
I like both but i have a soft spot for those late model black blocks they just look beefy

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13 minutes ago, CHESTNUTXE said:

I like both but i have a soft spot for those late model black blocks they just look beefy

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no idea what the ones i had were, i had 2x ZJ and ZK 302s about 25yrs ago.. the ZK engine came from a rusty fairlane i paid $200 for with 4 x new tyres. was pretty worn out, i kept the dizzy and carby and radiator and sold the rest in parts. the other was the ZJ engine i built into a 351 was still std bore. paid $500 for it with a C4 pan fill on it complete 

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i was told about 25yrs ago the black heads were better for porting due to core shift on the older ones.. no idea on the blocks though

You mean the cores had shifted in a direction that actually hinders porting? As in there was less meat in the right areas? Interesting... Pavtek offered CNC ported 2V closed heads and I wonder if they started with the later castings for this reason

 

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20 minutes ago, gerg said:

You mean the cores had shifted in a direction that actually hinders porting? As in there was less meat in the right areas? Interesting... Pavtek offered CNC ported 2V closed heads and I wonder if they started with the later castings for this reason

 

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thats what "Williamstown cylinder heads" said back then, they bought My black heads, but didn't want the blue ones from My brothers XB/XC engine

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thats what "Williamstown cylinder heads" said back then, they bought My black heads, but didn't want the blue ones from My brothers XB/XC engine
Yeah come to think of it, while porting my heads, I found heaps of casting dags in the ports and were generally rough as guts so assuming they were originals, this makes sense.

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Yeah come to think of it, while porting my heads, I found heaps of casting dags in the ports and were generally rough as guts so assuming they were originals, this makes sense.

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Another guru told me a similar thing the black heads flow more power than the blue in stock form

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Another guru told me a similar thing the black heads flow more power than the blue in stock form

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The usa 400 rebuild kit is here ,has just about everything,not bad for $425 us ,even New pistons ,to buy all that here you are looking at $1500c32675c7575b5d8124c43707de1cecd0.jpgbeeb20181887ab465ce15e897fe37373.jpg

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just as test i put that black jh63 std bore block on facebook marketplace mid morning and it was gone by 1.30pm 😋 for $400 and now his 2 mates want one as well ppfffffffffff,incredible how fast things operate online now,now invest the cash back into more new parts to build a few decent engines.

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just as test i put that black jh63 std bore block on facebook marketplace mid morning and it was gone by 1.30pm  for $400 and now his 2 mates want one as well ppfffffffffff,incredible how fast things operate online now,now invest the cash back into more new parts to build a few decent engines.
Next block is this f series chunky std bore 1977 it has the best walls so far out of all of em no lip and fk all rust in the outside walls also note f78 bla vla number stamped on block at the end of the day it looks a lot betterbad509875713207c9fce95a19c761577.jpgcc929193e00a6ebcbb13df492c6ca2f9.jpgbceb74331b3377c9f51e78c36a8052d6.jpg74ec113fe1ac468dff52b06b6b6cb02d.jpg6984fd0d7fdc5eb9d817bce4a3049352.jpg6e36c666802b7dbec808da1894301f5a.jpgdeb97ace2a75089a221e1539ffc05832.jpg93690df7da41028da06a4e507baa5546.jpg

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some of them are awful when you take the core plugs out inside can be bad,but this one is very nice.
Unbelievable i just sold it to go in a big f series perfect for him ,ok so thats 2 sold153188c9ae0b458179947224f6e92cfe.jpg

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21 minutes ago, CHESTNUTXE said:

Unbelievable i just sold it to go in a big f series perfect for him ,ok so thats 2 sold

this non building engines seems more profitable and less time spent than your previous way of building them lol.. 

quick hose down. check. sell. 

 

just before the F100 wrecker sold out down here, he was pulling heads off good 302 runners.. if it was standard bore he was getting more for the short motor than a complete running 302.. then selling the 302 heads to someone who was sending them to USA for i think $50 each in any condition

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this non building engines seems more profitable and less time spent than your previous way of building them lol.. 
quick hose down. check. sell. 
 
just before the F100 wrecker sold out down here, he was pulling heads off good 302 runners.. if it was standard bore he was getting more for the short motor than a complete running 302.. then selling the 302 heads to someone who was sending them to USA for i think $50 each in any condition
I just want my original money back and after that have some parts for free im onto the next block already see the wider 400s at the rear18adb2fb93b25aefa8b93aa08c02db52.jpg

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I just want my original money back and after that have some parts for free im onto the next block already see the wider 400s at the rear18adb2fb93b25aefa8b93aa08c02db52.jpg

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Next block is 1 of 2 of the most surace rust but so far it all chex out jh71 so brizzy ltd block cast 78 f4ad0f14bc7c6c06639a091fbad06181.jpg5234decda688b9ec4090d5661002da14.jpg7ab6bb339298cddfbcb860f6afdfbfaa.jpg8605967115e5e65682cb765b79bc4d21.jpg36c11d424d784c9b0063ac1cb0ecf88f.jpg

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I have read that as well on the black block 302 closed chamber heads, thicker material around the short turn & bowl area,

from memory read from ?Paul XF1101? He has a XF sedan drag car, runs a 351 cleveland with CNC ported closed chamber heads, ran a 9.98 when I last read up on it.

was updating from earlier CNC ported 302C heads to black 302C heads that had updated CNC program chasing more HP, to get into the 9's

 

& As I found they are rather thin in the bowl when playing on a scrap head here,

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I have read that as well on the black block 302 closed chamber heads, thicker material around the short turn & bowl area,
from memory read from ?Paul XF1101? He has a XF sedan drag car, runs a 351 cleveland with CNC ported closed chamber heads, ran a 9.98 when I last read up on it.
was updating from earlier CNC ported 302C heads to black 302C heads that had updated CNC program chasing more HP, to get into the 9's
 
& As I found they are rather thin in the bowl when playing on a scrap head here,
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Might get me a set of them for my 400 build ,i looked at the molnar rods to suit the 400 very nice rod,about $1000 a set landed from usa ,but even the std 400 rod is pretty strong

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