CLEVELAND ENGINE TALK

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So no rods or pistons... That might be a bit of an issue

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So no rods or pistons... That might be a bit of an issue

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Nah pick the rest up tomorrow but 1st clean up sees a DIY block so its a good one and if you could decode the casting date i think its a 78 casting galaxie pretty good imo no lip on bore and i have the pistons out of the old 400 to fix it ,no rush m8 plenty engines coming just put the vasoline away lol

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Nah pick the rest up tomorrow but 1st clean up sees a DIY block so its a good one and if you could decode the casting date i think its a 78 casting galaxie pretty good imo no lip on bore and i have the pistons out of the old 400 to fix it ,no rush m8 plenty engines coming just put the vasoline away lol

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Pulled her down already this thing has a good double roller ,lifters just fell out and cam looks ok,but will need hone maybe ,bearings look ok too ,oil return is different on this block as well like its choked a bit compard too my one

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Oooo....... more engine mount plates.

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note casting number mib men in black ? nah i think this one is a 81 casting maybe

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note casting number mib men in black ? nah i think this one is a 81 casting maybe

If it's a Dearborn casting (DIF, Dearborn Iron Foundry), they apparently only made them 71-72. I was worried that it was one of the pre-77 blocks that has trouble with cracking in the valley from the water jacket, but that problem only occured wit Michigan Casting Centre. What I don't get is the extra ribbing around the oil drain holes. I don't recall seeing that before.

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I just read that an actual build date is located on the timing cover surface, drivers side directly below the water pump hole. That will tell you exactly what year, month and day it was assembled.

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note casting number mib men in black ? nah i think this one is a 81 casting maybe

It's looking like a service replacement block. Could've been a warranty engine.

D1 = 71
A = full-size car
Z = service part

What does it say on the crank?

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It's looking like a service replacement block. Could've been a warranty engine.

D1 = 71
A = full-size car
Z = service part

What does it say on the crank?

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I will look tomorrow im at work atm,but i reckon the d1 is just like our d2ae cleveland design its on all blocks from mid xb to xe ?

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[gerg 10,871]

I will look tomorrow im at work atm,but i reckon the d1 is just like our d2ae cleveland design its on all blocks from mid xb to xe ?

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Yes correct, the D1 doesn't mean it was made then, it's when the part originally came out.

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2 hours ago, gerg said:

Yes correct, the D1 doesn't mean it was made then, it's when the part originally came out.

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I have another idea too use the 2v cast iron manifold and heads off the other 400 and build a nice stock original 400 factory looking 400,sump too,its all there then up the anti on my ute motor with high energy sump and arp studs allround then use the bolts and factory fittings on this engine as ol m8 is doing the 2v closed for the ute 400.

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I have another idea too use the 2v cast iron manifold and heads off the other 400 and build a nice stock original 400 factory looking 400,sump too,its all there then up the anti on my ute motor with high energy sump and arp studs allround then use the bolts and factory fittings on this engine as ol m8 is doing the 2v closed for the ute 400.

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Gerg here is that number maybe you can break the code ,i reckon its a 82 block or 81 as look at the pillow similar to our pillow blocks of the same era, also this block is not lipped for the 4v valves like my 71 block very interesting dr jones

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2a5n,1m18 pretty sure is 1981 cast and 1982 built maybe,tomorrow when i pick up the rods we can see how big the dish is on the pistons.

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I'm more inclined to think it's a 72, as it has a Dearborn Foundry marking, which did the 400 in 71-72 only. If it was an 82, it would have a Cleveland or Michigan casting emblem

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yeah,but why is my other 71 block so different in many ways

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Here's another point... If it was made 73 onwards, it would have a different part number. Look in the table below... There were a few updates like D3, D5, D7, D8 which all superseded D1. If the last revision was 78, that's what the 82 block would have cast into it.

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yeah,but why is my other 71 block so different in many ways

I can't answer that one... Is it a Cleveland foundry block?

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I can't answer that one... Is it a Cleveland foundry block?

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Nah they are both dif blocks,but interesting note ute engine is western foundry 4 and this one is western foundry 2

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or maybe a late block restamped under warranty,but it dont make sense it also came out of a galaxy but an australian one,at the end of the day it dont really matter,its in gc, and its being resurrected by us.

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or maybe a late block restamped under warranty,but it dont make sense it also came out of a galaxy but an australian one,at the end of the day it dont really matter,its in gc, and its being resurrected by us.

The big thing to look for (so I have read about) is if it's a pre-'77 Michigan casting. They are the ones prone to cracking. After that date, they revised the casting or metallurgy or whatever and it's not a problem. There's a lump halfway along the water jacket on each side of the valley, and there will be a horizontal crack just next to it. Not structural, but leaks coolant into the oil.

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The big thing to look for (so I have read about) is if it's a pre-'77 Michigan casting. They are the ones prone to cracking. After that date, they revised the casting or metallurgy or whatever and it's not a problem. There's a lump halfway along the water jacket on each side of the valley, and there will be a horizontal crack just next to it. Not structural, but leaks coolant into the oil.

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Your right gerg she is a early block it does have 4v lip after cleaning and painting looks mean also crank is 010 on mains but didnt get rods because he was to busy to search for them

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Your right gerg she is a early block it does have 4v lip after cleaning and painting looks mean also crank is 010 on mains but didnt get rods because he was to busy to search for them

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Also balancer is d2 and crank 5m ect 77 bearings so someone has rebuilt this one b4 im not sure about std bore as there is a bit of wobble in my std pistons but not much no rings on piston if anything std or 020 i reckon which can only mean one thing order new pistons to suit maybe will see when i get the original rods n pistons back in a few days time

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Looking spunky... Just had a thought, if it was an AU assembled Galaxie, Ford Oz could have ordered that engine as a spare part from the states (hence the D1AZ block instead of D1AE) in order to qualify as an Aussie CKD assembly. They built Cortinas, Escorts and F-trucks like this.

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In a similar vein... for the Nagari, Bolwell used to order their Clevos from Ford as an industrial engine. The engine number used to start with AIE (I think) meaning Australian Industrial Engine. Bloke at work owns 2 Bolwells, a coupe and very rare convertible.

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In a similar vein... for the Nagari, Bolwell used to order their Clevos from Ford as an industrial engine. The engine number used to start with AIE (I think) meaning Australian Industrial Engine. Bloke at work owns 2 Bolwells, a coupe and very rare convertible.

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I have seen 1 nigari in sydney a long time ago red with 4v engine

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