Bigflop 288 Posted October 9, 2017 I have an el engine thats in good nick but needs new rings so was wondering what rings and possibly pistons people have used or what ones to steer clear of? And any tips anyone can think of would be really appreciated. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackxt 699 Posted October 10, 2017 If you have a el engine you should get some xflow rods and put some arp rod bolts in it .. People will say the newer ohc are stronger, but it's really not true .. I've always used acl pistons and stock cast rings .. Use a multilayer steel head gasket . And apart from that unless you plan on forge pistons and billet rods I wouldn't get to worry about any thing else . Maybe a different cam would help . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valvebouncer 2,389 Posted October 10, 2017 While your asking, anyone got any suggestions for head bolts to suit the sohc 4.0? I've been told to steer clear of Nason, the only other over the counter ones I've seen readily available are permaseal. I'd rather not go to head studs because they aren't really necessary in my case, a bit of overkill plus costly.Suggestions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thom 6,650 Posted October 10, 2017 Gennie Ford ones are a good shot, you can usually still get them as ba are the same make sure they are au or later 1 Valvebouncer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 Interesting idea on using xflow rods. Ive already got a jmm dev5 cam ect and au steel head gasket. Cheers Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valvebouncer 2,389 Posted October 10, 2017 Gennie Ford ones are a good shot, you can usually still get them as ba are the same make sure they are au or later I just spoke to ford, AU ones are obsolete and they reckon BA head bolts are different. Bugger! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thom 6,650 Posted October 10, 2017 The may have been superseded bf and later bolts are different and won't fit sohc but will retrofit ba 1 Valvebouncer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 The may have been superseded bf and later bolts are different and won't fit sohc but will retrofit ba Like when i brought a Z9 for my bf xr6t lol... was quite annoyedSent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk 2 Outback Jack and Valvebouncer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deankxf 20,264 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Bigflop said: Interesting idea on using xflow rods. Ive already got a jmm dev5 cam ect and au steel head gasket. Cheers Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk would the Dev5 cam be good for a turbo? i wouldn't have thought so if was for NA initially Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackxt 699 Posted October 10, 2017 Interesting idea on using xflow rods. Ive already got a jmm dev5 cam ect and au steel head gasket. Cheers Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkI have a mate who makes about 300kw in a daily xg .. using those rods . Much Cheeper than trying to fit arp to e series rods .. What's the specs of a dev5 ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Bigflop and slydog reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackxt 699 Posted October 10, 2017 While your asking, anyone got any suggestions for head bolts to suit the sohc 4.0? I've been told to steer clear of Nason, the only other over the counter ones I've seen readily available are permaseal. I'd rather not go to head studs because they aren't really necessary in my case, a bit of overkill plus costly.Suggestions?Check out mace engineering . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Valvebouncer and Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valvebouncer 2,389 Posted October 10, 2017 Check out mace engineering . Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThanks bud, I'll be buying these unless anyone knows something I don't.https://www.maceengineering.com.au/epages/shop.mobile/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/mace/Products/BPHDS603 2 CHESTNUTXE and Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,299 Posted October 10, 2017 Those bolts look good 2 Outback Jack and Valvebouncer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 I have a mate who makes about 300kw in a daily xg .. using those rods . Much Cheeper than trying to fit arp to e series rods .. What's the specs of a dev5 ?? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIm not sure tbh! I brought the cam kit about 6 or 7 years ago. As for its performance while being boosted i dont know either. Ive heard they work well together but i guess its up to the tuner to make it all work in the end?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk 1 Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 So standard xflow rods i need to look for? Any particular year or model?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 Thanks bud, I'll be buying these unless anyone knows something I don't.https://www.maceengineering.com.au/epages/shop.mobile/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/mace/Products/BPHDS603Cheap!Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk 2 Outback Jack and Valvebouncer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackxt 699 Posted October 10, 2017 Im not sure tbh! I brought the cam kit about 6 or 7 years ago. As for its performance while being boosted i dont know either. Ive heard they work well together but i guess its up to the tuner to make it all work in the end?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Not really a tuner thing overly .. stock cam will be okay ... but maybe after you get it running / tuned then put the cam in and see how it affects the cars performance.. I just had a cam done for me , basically high end big boost custom grind is the only way Mid boost there is probably some cams that will work pretty well off the shelf , it's just all playing around . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 10, 2017 Not really a tuner thing overly .. stock cam will be okay ... but maybe after you get it running / tuned then put the cam in and see how it affects the cars performance.. I just had a cam done for me , basically high end big boost custom grind is the only way Mid boost there is probably some cams that will work pretty well off the shelf , it's just all playing around . Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYea fair enough, cams already in the head and the way i see it im not really worried where it makes boost ect with such a light car it would still be fun to drive with out turbo haha.. but yea donno just gotta focus on an engine.. looks like i might just build one.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk 3 Valvebouncer, GRIFF and Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew442 67 Posted October 12, 2017 What turbo are you running? You don't need a 'turbo cam' with a modern turbo and it's sized right. The turbo cam will help you if exhaust back pressure is excessive, otherwise cam requirements will be pretty much the same as NA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 12, 2017 What turbo are you running? You don't need a 'turbo cam' with a modern turbo and it's sized right. The turbo cam will help you if exhaust back pressure is excessive, otherwise cam requirements will be pretty much the same as NA.Fg turbo.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drew442 67 Posted October 12, 2017 Fg turbo.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk What do you know about the cam other than its name? Do you have specs on it?Do you have a vernier timing gear on it?Sent from my MI 5 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPArKy_Dave 8,863 Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 0:54 PM, Valvebouncer said: While your asking, anyone got any suggestions for head bolts to suit the sohc 4.0? I've been told to steer clear of Nason, the only other over the counter ones I've seen readily available are permaseal. I'd rather not go to head studs because they aren't really necessary in my case, a bit of overkill plus costly. Suggestions? I'd always use ARP head studs... IMO, it's the best $350 you can spend on an OHC. Even for standard engines. And you only have to buy them once. With Nasons, you need to know your part numbers - they have cheap quality stuff, and also expensive stuff too. Unless a person knows to ask, you'll get the cheap stuff by default.http://nason.com.au/suppliers/ Nasons also used to have a sister company, which does engine rebuild equipment and parts -https://www.premiermachinery.com.au/about-us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valvebouncer 2,389 Posted October 12, 2017 I'd always use ARP head studs... IMO, it's the best $350 you can spend on an OHC. Even for standard engines. And you only have to buy them once. With Nasons, you need to know your part numbers - they have cheap quality stuff, and also expensive stuff too. Unless a person knows to ask, you'll get the cheap stuff by default.http://nason.com.au/suppliers/ Nasons also used to have a sister company, which does engine rebuild equipment and parts -https://www.premiermachinery.com.au/about-usAs previously stated Dave, they aren't necessary and I'll do the job properly so the head doesn't have to come off again. If decent bolts were good enough for ford the get over 300kw out of a Barra and last 700,000km in a taxi then revised well made bolts are good enough for my ute.What kind of company that has 2 subsidiaries, one that can make bolts and one that attempts to? No thanks, I'll stick with blackxt suggestion for mace engineering, the more people I ask the better they sound. 1 Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigflop 288 Posted October 12, 2017 What do you know about the cam other than its name? Do you have specs on it?Do you have a vernier timing gear on it?Sent from my MI 5 using TapatalkNo and yes it has an adjustable cam gear.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valvebouncer 2,389 Posted October 12, 2017 Has anyone experimented with an adjustable cam gear on a standard cam? Were there any gains from advancing or retarding it? I'm guessing there would be gains and losses at certain rpm points but I'm curious across a decent range of rpm. 1 Outback Jack reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
