CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 8, 2017 selecting the correct single rail or top loader bellhousing for my crossy is proving quite interesting as there is many to choose from ,drivers side cable set up ,passenger side cable set up,early 250 top loader hyd,and xb top/loader single rail to be confirmed,im pretty sure from xc/xd on they were all cable,but one of the problems faced by putting a early hyd set up in a xf style firewall is no correct bolt plate for the master cylinder to go on,i wonder why did ford did away with this ? anyway im trying to get info if the xb 250 bellhousing was drilled for top loader and single rail as i have seen a few pictures that indicate it was,but keen to hear does anyone actualy have one,i imagine they were made in late 1973 /74 and perhaps 75 until the xc came out,the cost to convert to a hyd set up is staggering,$200 for a pedal conversion,$200 for master/slave cyl's,clutch line $75,probly $150-200 for the bellhousing,fork,ect,,,,hmmmmmm. 1 gonefishing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 8, 2017 Thom tell's me that xb bell was only made in a 6 month window,so good luck finding one,could be just as easy to get a top loader one and drill it for single rail then can use either box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted July 8, 2017 Ford did away with the clutch hyd master mount on XFs as they no longer fitted the V8. All 6s used cable so no need for the extra hassle in production. I believe the whole firewall got revamped for 6 cyl only. Nothing stopping you making your own hole and stud mounts for the master cylinder. You'd have to reinforce around it though. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 8, 2017 yes dean seems to know how to do it,or could you just cut one out of a xe and weld it in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XTREME KARTS XF 1,212 Posted July 8, 2017 If you pop your head under the dash and take a look where the clutch cable goes on XF to EL/XH (wouldnt suprise me if AU where the same) you'll see that its double skinned and "almost" ready to take the XC-XE clutch cable bracket or the hydro master cylinder Just drill and chop whats required 3 CHESTNUTXE, Valvebouncer and deankxf reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 8, 2017 ok good info thankyou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 9, 2017 hey your right i did the knock test and the pitch changed in that position Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,512 Posted July 9, 2017 I modded a 3 speed hydro bellhousing for my singlerail, ground out the center hole a few mm and had to drill and tap one hole (top drivers i think). Looking at the clutch pedal i recon you could get away with using a brake pedal and kink/straighten as necessary. Thats what my one looks like anyway. Then grab a piece of stainless rod the right length. Pm me your email if you want pics of the pedal 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 9, 2017 ok so the early 3 speed can be modded as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 9, 2017 i found a early bell with single rail bolt pattern,also has the passenger side fork and slave holes,i bought it after doing some research,it seems the real deal,i will get it next week and put some pic's,will drop it down to ol.m8's and get it cleaned,then start to order the goodies to go with it,im assuming its the same hyd line as a v8 and slave plus master,chime on in if its different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,512 Posted July 9, 2017 Slave and masters should be, can't tell you about the clutch line as none of my suppliers have a listing. Will bend one up and use a brake hose or something to attach to the slave when i get round to it. 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 9, 2017 if its the same slave then it should be spot on ,but probly a xa /xb style line ,if they are similar to the xd/xe one,the xa master cyl v8 sticks out at a bit of an angle compard to the xd/xe or the other way around but fittings are the same. 1 Slow250XC reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted July 9, 2017 I pilfered the master, slave and line from the XB (into the XE wags) and it all went in like it was supposed to be there. Sent from my CPH1607 using Tapatalk 2 CHESTNUTXE and Slow250XC reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 good work ,without the exhaust from a clevo getting close to the slave ,i shouldnt have to flip or bend the line cause the exhaust is on the other side 1 Slow250XC reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 one day you will be calling me MASTER lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 the last pedal conversion to hyd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,512 Posted July 10, 2017 Where do you guys get your clutch lines from? Anyone get a repco etc number? 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 Any of the gt shops in Melbourne have all that stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 $75 for a line,or ford muscle parts in sydney,you could used to buy the xbgt heat sheilded line but the dood dont make em anymore. 1 Slow250XC reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 ok next question is ,is the 6cyl fork the same as v8 ? well um errr i suppose it is,since its going on a box that was in v8's,cable 6 is different Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,512 Posted July 10, 2017 3 speed hydro fork is the same as cable 4 speed as far as dimensions go, one has hole for cable and one does not. 1 CHESTNUTXE reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 10, 2017 interesting you mean the early hyd ? i have a 3 speed here and its cable ,looks like the same as 4 speed borgy drivers side cable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slow250XC 1,512 Posted July 10, 2017 Yup xa 3 speed im pretty sure my hydraulic bell came off. The cable bell i have is xe/xf era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 11, 2017 xb fork i found this one at the wreckers,i think its different to v8 one doesnt seem as long ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CHESTNUTXE 7,260 Posted July 11, 2017 ALSO here is a 1983 cable drivers side bellhousing single rail 78da Share this post Link to post Share on other sites