AU3 XR8 T5z into clevo XE

[xebruce 50]

Looking at buying a T5z out of a AU XR8 to put behind the clevo in my XE. I see the starter is on the other side of the bellhousing is this going to be an issue or is there any other issues i should be aware of. I assume the bellhousing will bolt up to my cleveo. thought they were the same as windsors?

 

Would apperciate any feed back, Thanks

[BGDAV 1,871]

from memory the t5z is a longer shaft ? will need a custom tailshaft - bellhousing on a windsor is smaller i believe takes a smaller flywheel and clutch - windsor will fit in a clevo bellhousing but not always the other way around 

 

(i may be wrong but 90% thats correct about the clutch) need to take your flywheel and sit it in the bellhousing see if it clears 

[gerg 10,871]

Yep 5/8" longer in the input shaft and bellhousing depth. Needs a 157-tooth 28 oz. flywheel to match. Shifter may not line up with tunnel housing & yep tailshaft will need shortening.

 

Another option is to get the input shaft turned down to suit the old style but that will still need a custom T5-to-clevo bellhousing or go and adapt a toploader bell like I did. Shifter will sit too far forward for an X-Falcon I believe. I think even without the different length bellhousing, the box is a different length, so tailshaft is still going to need mods.

 

All of this is doable, just depends on how much stuffing around you're prepared to do.

[xebruce 50]

Thanks guys, sounds like to much stuffing round for me. Looking  for the most straight forward option. There must be a pretty much bolt in option? There is a couple of trans places here that will put together a kit to bolt up to a Cleveland but the price is pretty steep. Which T5 am I best to look for?

[BGDAV 1,871]

i had a EF t5 behind my cleveland - was mild - and i didnt drive like a fuck stick, but i gave it a hiding - you need a 6cyl t5 and a custom bellhousing (dont go dellow spend the extra and get from malwood - itll save you money in the long run) then ull need a hyduralic clutch setup (standard xe pedal box) get the master cylinder bored to 2" as it will not suit a aftermarket slave cylinder - bit of fucking around but worth it

[gerg 10,871]

Yeah you think to yourself "how hard could it be? " but trust me, one way or another, you'll need to mod something. I have an entire thread on here on how I did mine but skinning a cat can be done in many ways.

 

Best box to use (if T5Z can't be adapted) is the one with the taller 1st ie: EB2-EL 6-cyl 3.25:1.

 

EA-EB1 used 3.50:1 which I have in mine. Too short for a torquey V8.

 

E-series with 5.0 also had T5Z ratios but input shaft length (I think) is like the T5Z (BA-onwards) boxes ie: mustang length, starter opposite side, 157t flywheel at 60 oz (wrong for a clevo), and bellhousing itself is longer and use a cable clutch and fork

 

(can you confirm Thom?)

[xebruce 50]

Thanks for for your insight guys. Found a e series one locally so will go check it out in the weekend. how do i tell the difference between the 6 and 8 input shaft lengths to make sure is a 6 cyl one  and wether its a t5 or t5z.

[BGDAV 1,871]

the 8cyl one have a longer shaft i belive? but are RARE so its unlikely its an 8

[gerg 10,871]

ford I6 input shaft is 167mm 

ford v8 input shaft is 193mm 

 

Cut/paste from fordmods.com

[RAWDEAL 222]

honestly it would nearly be easier to just use a t56 lol . they are at least everywere if you ever want to buy one second hand

 

for the same effort the 6 speed is a 100x better result

[deankxf 20,266]

honestly it would nearly be easier to just use a t56 lol . they are at least everywere if you ever want to buy one second hand

 

for the same effort the 6 speed is a 100x better result

Don't use a Dellow bell housing.. see BGDAVs thread if unsure why..

[xebruce 50]

So emailed Mal Wood about the cleveland and the E series 6cyl T5 and this was there response.

 

Hi Bruce,

We do not make a Bellhousing to fit your Ford V8 using the Ford 6 T5.  The front shift of the bush box is not long enough.

 

Kind Regards,

Jeff @

Dellow Conversions

 

 Bugger. guess that means there bellhousings are suited to the 8cyl ones or the mustang one with the longer shaft.

[deankxf 20,266]

So emailed Mal Wood about the cleveland and the E series 6cyl T5 and this was there response.

 

Hi Bruce,

We do not make a Bellhousing to fit your Ford V8 using the Ford 6 T5.  The front shift of the bush box is not long enough.

 

Kind Regards,

Jeff @

Dellow Conversions

 

 Bugger. guess that means there bellhousings are suited to the 8cyl ones or the mustang one with the longer shaft.

CRS do a bell housing for it, not seen how they go these days though..

http://www.rodshop.com.au/bellhousings/ford-cleveland/bh095t5-ford-bell-housing.html

 

EDIT! wonder if the left side starter motor would affect exhaust?

[SLO247 1,713]

I met a bloke using a 6 cylinder T5 on a windsor with a modified single rail V8 bellhousing. Should work the same for a clevo.

 

While I'm here, did any old V8 falcons have a cable clutch? XY or similar? I swear I've seen bellhousings with the provision for a fork. If that's the case I won't have to convert my XD to hydraulic clutch.

[gerg 10,871]

My single rail bell couldn't be used in the conversion as the two lower bolts miss the machined flange.

[SLO247 1,713]

Would this work?

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-V8-BELLHOUSING-CLEVELAND-TO-TOPLOADER-OR-SINGLE-RAIL-XA-XB-XC-GT-GS-351-/330939273230?hash=item4d0d84900e:g:R5oAAOxy2YtRuSG2

[BGDAV 1,871]

i had a bellhousing from dellow to suit a t5 from a ef into a cleveland .. dunno why they dont make them - honestly i had no issues with hte bellhousing from them years ago - but the latest one i got was designed and machined wrong and cost me 2k to fix their fuck up (i wouldnt risk it again)

[BGDAV 1,871]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-V8-LEFT-HAND-STARTER-BELLHOUSING-95-289-302-WINDSOR-TOP-LOADER-TKO-6CYL-T5-/152453442980?hash=item237eeeeda4:g:QtAAAOxyyeNSMkdo

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Manual-Bellhousing-Ford-V8-289-302-351-2Bolt-to-Falcon-6-T5-167mm-Front-Shaft-/252311757435?hash=item3abef3e27b:g:wCMAAOSwZQxW3QSJ

[deankxf 20,266]

i still think this method is perfectly acceptable, (link to xfalcon ) http://www.xfalcon.com/forums/index.php?/topic/18759-how-to-fit-a-t5-gearbox-to-a-v8-single-rail-bellhousing/

redrill 2 lower bolts into a different part of the gearbox case .. obviously depends how hard its going to be thrashed.

[xebruce 50]

been pricing up the different options and looks like i'm just gong to have to wait to do this conversion. Got a holiday to Fiji coming up and then my wedding. Looks like i'm going to have to put up with the C4 for now. Thanks for all the info guys.

[RAWDEAL 222]

On 3/23/2017 at 7:27 PM, deankdx said:

Don't use a Dellow bell housing.. see BGDAVs thread if unsure why..

I am running a quicktime bellhousing, cant go wrong