Panko's Mk1 Escort (Round 2)

[bear351c 10,270]

Can you modify the bracket?  Where the yellow arrow is pointing, add a piece of square tube or something to move the mount to around about where the word "cable" is in your photo.

[deankxf 20,287]

11 hours ago, bear351c said:

Can you modify the bracket?  Where the yellow arrow is pointing, add a piece of square tube or something to move the mount to around about where the word "cable" is in your photo.

that's My first thought.. take the slack up there.. providing its travel is ok

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

 

 

if you moved the cable holder further out, would it get full throttle before the floor(it would take the slack up if you made another cable holder further away)

yeah that would work, but then the outer would be too long. its already on an pretty extreme angle because it comes straight from firewall to that bracket. 

 

in hindsight i shouldve measured the distance between the bracket, and the ball on the linkage at throttle closed position. because yeah it just has too much excess out the end   

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, bear351c said:

Can you modify the bracket?  Where the yellow arrow is pointing, add a piece of square tube or something to move the mount to around about where the word "cable" is in your photo.

yeah that'd work, but would have to shorten the outer so its not being kinked given how sharp the angles are 

[Panko 2,480]

ive been thinking about it, its really my screw up. if only id measured the cable length i needed hanging out at the carby end, and had a shorter spring fitted on the end of the cable, it wouldve been ok 

[deankxf 20,287]

can cut the spring.. 
moving the mounting only an inch isnt going to make that much extra kink.. would that linkage on My carby work for you? (could be a kickdown cable link? or cruise control?)

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

can cut the spring.. 
moving the mounting only an inch isnt going to make that much extra kink.. would that linkage on My carby work for you? 

yeah it wouldnt take that much to make it happen. 
 

Im basically giving myself tomorrow morning to try get it to work, before i go back to the previous setup, which worked for the most part, and get the diff changed. 

 

I think i can use the stock length cable if i just loop it on the driver's side of the engine bay and onto that bracket, or use it with the capri rocker cover. 

 

if nothing works, ill go back to the old carby and be done with it haha 

[deankxf 20,287]

does it get full throttle as is?

be worth seeing how it feels when the diff is done first. might not be jetted right anyway for the 1300?

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

does it get full throttle as is?

be worth seeing how it feels when the diff is done first. might not be jetted right anyway for the 1300?

i suppose it probably would be getting full throttle, but the pedal would travel probably 1/3 of the way before it did anything lol

[deankxf 20,287]

thats why i suggested putting a stop on the pedal? to take up the slack? depends where it sits otherwise

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

thats why i suggested putting a stop on the pedal? to take up the slack? depends where it sits otherwise

lol that would be weird to drive. it would have so little throw in the pedal..

[Panko 2,480]

this was when i got it running earlier. 

 

 

 

 

 

[deankxf 20,287]

full throttle plus choke = never going to run right

 

i mean, if you get in the car, press the pedal does the carby get full throttle now? (if not, if you unclipped the cable holder and pulled the slack out and wrapped some tape around it temporarily ... would it get full throttle then?)

 

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

full throttle plus choke = never going to run right

 

i mean, if you get in the car, press the pedal does the carby get full throttle now? (if not, if you unclipped the cable holder and pulled the slack out and wrapped some tape around it temporarily ... would it get full throttle then?)

 

it was still warming up...

i let it warm up and it was fine once warm.

 

i havent tried the pedal. i didnt fit the locking clip that holds the cable onto the ball linkage when i realised how much too long it was. 

 

Im reluctant to modify the bracket, because that bracket is near impossible to get. 

[deankxf 20,287]

just make another. bracket and bolt it on under it

flat bar.. drill a hole in it(round) and file it out square.. bolt it on somewhere  so it sits under that one.. or above it?

[Panko 2,480]

i can remove that bracket. any other bracket needs to follow the exact same angle. they need that 45(ish) degree angle on them. 

 

in the long term sure, but to try get it on the road with the new diff and driving by the weekend, i dont have the time to be fabricating parts. 

[deankxf 20,287]

so unclip it.. put it were it needs to be and tape it up with 5 or 6 zip ties roadkill style.. 

that's if it will work at that distance, is what i keep asking about if it gets full throttle on the carby from the pedal

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

so unclip it.. put it were it needs to be and tape it up with 5 or 6 zip ties roadkill style.. 

that's if it will work at that distance, is what i keep asking about if it gets full throttle on the carby from the pedal

 

i cant try it on the pedal. thats what i said above. 

 

yes it would get full throttle if i pulled the outer case back that inch or so. 

 

the point is, everything is in the correct factory position. I can go modifying things, custom making brackets and linkages. the cable i had modified because there is no cable available for what i wanted to do, because the GTs are so dam rare. and i stuffed up by not measuring it properly. 

[deankxf 20,287]

you'll figure it out.. 

 

the gemini was a pain in the ass to get the falcon carby working .. (the falcon carby pulls from the opposite side to a 32/36)  

 

one of My favourite sayings to people modding their car... keep it stock   

 

[Panko 2,480]

In the short term i think ill know how to get it working. 

 

the other reason i wanted to ditch the capri cover cover and use the correct brackets, was so i could fit an alloy rocker cover to tidy up the engine bay a bit haha 

[bear351c 10,270]

Is there any way you can re-route the cable, to take up the slack.?  Running it around the front of the air cleaner, or down the side of the front guard, maybe.? Just trying to think outside the box....(or bracket) 

[Panko 2,480]

well today was one of those days where it started out going well, then it all went bad. 

 

I managed to get the car driving finally with the 32/36 fitted. I ended up using the stock, full length throttle cable, which worked a treat other than the meter of slack i had to find a place for. 

the challenge using that cable was getting the little 13mm adjusting nuts, to pull up against the square hole in the bracket. 

I so made these. keyed washers, big enough to slot over the cable, then up onto the running adjusting thread, but the right size they cant fall off the thread. 

you can see in this pic below i also adapted and used the return spring from the cable i had made. 

 

 

 

so i had the car driving, with the 32/36, and it seemed great for about 2 minutes...until this happened  

 

 

yep i got stuck, broken down a few streets down from home. 
I dont have enough experience with these carbies to know what or how to tune them properly, but without some serious time spent on it, i cant run the 32/36  

all its doing is once its under load, it just dies. completely kills the engine. it started out ok, then just got to a point where the only way i could get it to go up hill (i live on top of a hill) was to pull full choke and go WOT, then once it started moving, turn the choke off...until it would stall again. 

 

i eventually got the car home, and just thought, fk it, im going back to the way i had it until i have the time up my sleeve to tune this carby properly. 

 

so i did, i went back to the old setup, only this time i again adapted the return spring to work on the cable rather than having an external return spring. 

I gave the carby a clean with carby cleaner before putting it on, hooked it all up, cranked for a few seconds and roared into life. Took it for a drive, and drove exactly as it did before pulling the carby off in the first place, somewhat better because the throttle has a nicer feel to it, and cleaning it did it wonders. 

 

 

after all the stuffing around with the carbies, i made a hell of a mess in the garage. so clean up time to get ready to change the diff. 

 

 

 

so after everything, i basically ended right back where i was a few days ago. Am I upset? Yes. i really hoped to have the 32/36 up and running, i honestly didnt think it would be that far off the mark in regards to tuning, so much so that i would have to push my poor little car a few times when it kept breaking down  

 have i given up? No. i still want to try get the other carby running, with the short cable etc etc one day. but if i really want the car ready for this sunday, i cant be playing with the carby anymore...time to do the diff. 

[deankxf 20,287]

On 10/21/2018 at 2:39 PM, deankdx said:

small carby worked.. put it back on for now..

bolt the diff in.. probably a half day job if you take your time.. .. 

 

 

what he said a coupe of days ago ^^

 

if it wont run on the primary without the choke it must be too lean? blocked jet? buggered gasket on top?

[Panko 2,480]

11 hours ago, deankdx said:

 

 

what he said a coupe of days ago ^^

 

if it wont run on the primary without the choke it must be too lean? blocked jet? buggered gasket on top?

haha yeah i know you did. but the smaller carby fkn leaks, and floods the engine when its parked up after being driven.  and its an odd one to get parts for. 

a big part of the reason i tried to run the 32/36. 

 

yeah possibly too lean. the mixture screw is a bitch to get to, and on my 32/36 its not a thumb screw, i need a small flat blade screw driver to adjust it. 

[deankxf 20,287]

does it leak because the needle and seat is crap? or or other reasons