adrianphu123 73 Posted January 15, 2015 Hey guys, Got 2 lifters stuck in their bores in my spare motor, wont come up, wont drop down but has a small window where they move and spin freely. Currently soaking in inox, any ideas? thanks adrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slydog 7,873 Posted January 15, 2015 My neighbour use to pull em up as far as possible then pull the cam out and slide a PVC tube up the cam tunnel and push the lifters down from the top and just pull the tube out.They are wiped fat footed and will only come out thru the bottom 1 gerg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XTREME KARTS XF 1,212 Posted January 15, 2015 By the sounds of it they have mushroom faces on them, if you force them out you will damage the lifter bores. Proburbly the best way to rmove them is to leave them in there stuck position and carefully remove them from the bottom with the camshaft removed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrianphu123 73 Posted January 15, 2015 cams been removed and all other lifters were removed with hand force only on the cam side to prevent any damage to the bore and yeah all the lifters were worn in a concave fashion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slydog 7,873 Posted January 15, 2015 Punch em out the bottom then bud. Good sized hammer held long on the handle with a long 1/2 socket extension and BAM...out they come easy as. Done a few like that now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FORD_MAN 1,026 Posted January 15, 2015 I did the same with my XF stuck them up as far as possible, then punch into the sump and fish out with a magnet "on a stick" 1 slydog reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRO250 1,506 Posted January 16, 2015 out with the hammer and bar, boom into the sump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted January 16, 2015 If this is a "spare" motor, what happened to the one in your XF? Are you building this one up or just chucking a cam in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrianphu123 73 Posted January 16, 2015 I'll give it a go later today. Im building this one up gerg, the one in the XF is going great but without a cam change/increased compression etc i feel it wont get any better. The plan is Bore + hone 0.030 over, zero decked Flat top pistons Camtech CT142 528 cam 10:1 comp LPG only High volume oil pump with extra bearing clearance ARP rod bolts Still working in the finding other components but hopefully will be a good combination and will be a daily driven street car The head may or may not get bigger inlet valves but will have roller rockers and springs to suit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted January 16, 2015 Sounds the goods, moderate mods but together will give a nice street engine that puts a smile on your face. Gotta ask though, why the hi-vol pump? It's not a race engine so not really needed. Pretty much all advice on here says to go standard volume. 2 slydog and Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slydog 7,873 Posted January 16, 2015 And waits for Ando to come tell you why why why you don't need it even on a big comp roller cammed xflow 4 wagoon, PRO250, winton and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrianphu123 73 Posted January 16, 2015 Yeah thats what i told the machine shop/engine builder but he recommended it that way. It was explained that a high volume pump with standard clearances will chew out the gear due to the extra load but with extra bearing clearance, the oil has somewhere to go thus relieving the pressure on the pump. Im putting it together myself slowly so ultimately i'll get the final say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bear351c 10,270 Posted January 16, 2015 Been told the same from a Camshaft company, Crane I think. Street engines dont need them. 1 slydog reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slydog 7,873 Posted January 16, 2015 Yeah thats what i told the machine shop/engine builder but he recommended it that way. It was explained that a high volume pump with standard clearances will chew out the gear due to the extra load but with extra bearing clearance, the oil has somewhere to go thus relieving the pressure on the pump. Im putting it together myself slowly so ultimately i'll get the final say. LOL ask him to show you a gear that has happened too and you post the picture here please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ando76 4,354 Posted January 16, 2015 For feks sake - NO PUSHROD FORD ENGINE CREATED NEEDS A HIGH VOLUME OIL PUMP - PERIOD. If your 'ENGINE ASSEMBLER' because clearly they are not an ENGINE BUILDER!!! - tells you that you need one then YOU NEED TO GET YOUR ENGINE AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THIS IDIOT!!!!!!! This is the pressure that is achieved thru a proper STANDARD VOLUME OIL PUMP on a 250 mechanical roller cam x flow. Tell me again why you would want to put a HIGH VOLUME oil pump on any Ford engine - they are just not needed. I achieve these pressures with 2.5 and 3 on the mains - Go and get your Gregorys manual - it will tell you that with those clearances the engine is WORN OUT - BUT oh no look at what a proper STANDARD VOLUME OIL PUMP is capable of. Extremely good pressure I'd say. So tell me why you want to run a high volume pump.... 3 dougie77, Thom and Mr Polson reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted January 16, 2015 Lol now we know how to make Ando an angry man 2 ando76 and Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrianphu123 73 Posted January 16, 2015 socket, extension and rubber mallet solved that issue pretty quick. Regarding the oil pump, im pretty set on a standard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ando76 4,354 Posted January 16, 2015 you are a man of infinite wisdom adrianphu123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted January 16, 2015 My Clevo runs a standard volume pump and at idle, sits at max on the gauge at any temp except once completely warmed up. Even then, it never drops below half at idle, even on a stinking hot day in traffic. Your crossy will be no different. Ford 6s and V8s use Gerotor pumps, which are much more efficient than gear pumps like what Chevs and Holdens use, so unlike them, no hi-vol version is needed on a Ford. Either tell your engine builder you want standard volume and standard bearing clearance, or find someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerg 10,871 Posted January 16, 2015 Might wanna go roller rockers with that cam, as a general rule you shouldn't go over 0.500" lift with stock rockers. Might be a little hairy for the street too. May i suggest the next one down... The CT142 517. It has 0.510" lift and 218 duration vs 0.534" and 230 on the one you want. If you want to stick to that cam, you could go up a lot more in compression on LPG. I reckon 11:1 would be more like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adrianphu123 73 Posted January 16, 2015 Yep, already have a set here. Scorpion SCP1069BL non adjustable pedestal mount And that was my concern too, regarding the cam being too big and even asked the guy at camtech if i should go a step down but i think it'll be okay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clevo120Y 815 Posted January 16, 2015 I also agree with stock oil pump, the race engines I built run the same "big" clearance as Ando and the stock pump has plenty of pressure. Ando will give you the measurements for the relief valve, I also do the clearances inside the pump, I run 1.5 thou cover to rotor clearance, that had Ando worried hahaha but all good in the hood. 1 Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slydog 7,873 Posted January 16, 2015 The bigger Camtech gets em moving with some comp but it is not really daily freindly.Q's xf runs 1 down I think and you know it has a stick in it. That said if you can live with it give it 11:1 comp bang the big cam in, dial it in (yes it needs to be done) check p/v clearance and hold on cos it will be fun 1 Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wagoon 2,429 Posted January 16, 2015 I can vouch for the pic Ando posted as that is my hand holding the pressure gauge attached to my roller cammed crossflow in my shed. I have a spare hi volume oil pump sitting in my shed that I wont sell to anyone cause I dont feel right in passing on something that will hurt someone elses engine. I wouldnt even give it away. 2 Thom and ando76 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dougie77 789 Posted January 16, 2015 I have the 510 in my Corty and that's heaps of fun I don't use it daily but it's not to bad if you had to use it daily but be prepared to replace your Tyres Cortina for life 1 Thom reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
