The smaller ones part number is MTP4834
The larger one doesn’t have a part number on it.
looking at EF rear seals they mostly have a ID of 95mm where I need the ID to be 92mm. The EF Windsor has the ID 92mm but OD is 108mm where i need the OD to be 109.9mm
After doing a bit more research it seems to me that the crank mix up theory is the issue.
86da crank would have a seal ID 95mm, where the ID on the crank in mine is 92mm (84da) which is why the bigger seal doesn’t fit and vice verses with the smaller seal fitting the crank but not the block.
I got the Ute as a non runner for a couple of hundred dollars and it’s going to be a skid car, I’ll use the small seal and snot it into the block. Add my go fast parts and see how she goes.